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Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.
Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.
So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.
So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.
This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..
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I ain't gonna even get involved in this thread :D
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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gudnite vienna
it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..
Yup. I've yet to hear anyone explain in a compelling manner why the weight made any difference.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
there is NO ISSUE floyd is just a better boxer period. and if he goes back to 140 he will still beat hatton. the main excuse i hear is that the ref didnt let Ricky fight his fight thats bullshit PBF didnt let Ricky fight his fight. no matter where its at PBF will always come out in top.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
im afraid to say that how ever ricky would of approached this fight he was gettin beat, Mayweather is better in every department..
Saying that if a re-match does come off between these two in say 2010 at wembley i will be there without doubt, because you just never do know in boxing and ricky could just pull a major unset!!!
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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CFH
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gudnite vienna
it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..
Yup. I've yet to hear anyone explain in a compelling manner why the weight made any difference.
I know, its weird. Its been said SO MANY TIMES but no one has ever explained it. I even heard people use it BEFORE the fight even happened!
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
im a hatton fan and he would never could never beat mayweather
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
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Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?
If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.
You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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CFH
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
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Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?
If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.
You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.
Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
I agree and I am also a Hatton fan
If Ricky wants to be a great he has to take these fights - he was soundly beaten. Ok the ref did him no favours but he was outclassed simple as that.
If they fought at 140 it may be a closer fight but I still see same outcome - but would be there at Wembley if it came off ;)
He was kayoed convincingly. Judah and Boldomir went distance . Didn't Corley go distance too ? can't remember weight for that one
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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CGM
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.
Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
The only thing Ricky Hatton could beat Floyd Mayweather at is a drinking contest.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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gudnite vienna
Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..
If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.
I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.
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Mark TKO
I agree and I am also a Hatton fan
If Ricky wants to be a great he has to take these fights - he was soundly beaten. Ok the ref did him no favours but he was outclassed simple as that.
If they fought at 140 it may be a closer fight but I still see same outcome - but would be there at Wembley if it came off ;)
He was kayoed convincingly. Judah and Boldomir went difference . Didn't Corley go distance too ? can't remember weight for that one
Mate have you read my post you have just repeated what Ive said..
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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bambamdaddio
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CGM
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.
Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...
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no, you said Mayweather would have a tougher time of it at JWW. And I implied no he wouldn't, because he (Mayweather) is also sharper at JWW. I'm not disagreeing that Hatton is sharper at JWW, I'm just saying so is Mayweather, things cancel out. No big deal though.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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leftylee
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gudnite vienna
Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..
If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.
I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.
I can't speak for everyone who will post here, but I can assure you I keep things civil whenever possible.
I really, really would like an explanation of the weight issue if you have one.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation
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Beanflicker
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation
& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...
& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....
If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..
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bambamdaddio
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Beanflicker
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation
& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...
& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....
If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..
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I can see that actually,Ricky is a guy who if you give him a margin for error,he'll be happy to take it. So I can see him having to discipline himself for a lower weight may indeed help him.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Beanflicker
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leftylee
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gudnite vienna
Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..
If you want my opinion I'll send you a PM.
I don't like talking about Hatton in debates on here as things can get real heated at times. Then the insults start flying "Your just a fucking hater" "shutup groupie" etc. No need for it whatsoever.
I can't speak for everyone who will post here, but I can assure you I keep things civil whenever possible.
I really, really would like an explanation of the weight issue if you have one.
I might type one up to tommorow. I would now but I'll be calling it a night soon as I'm up early in the morning.
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bambamdaddio
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CFH
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bambamdaddio
OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
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Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?
If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.
You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.
Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too
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lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.
PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.
How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.
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bambamdaddio
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Beanflicker
I don't agree with that, but I will rep you for posting a reasonable explanation
& Big respect to ya for that bud .. because thats all I was trying to do based on what I know of Hatton & the times Ive chatted with him which is only a couple...
& I respect your view of not agreeing with me I really do ... because I really dont mind who agrees or disagrees, Im simply putting together a point of view from how I see it & if it causes more debate then thats brilliant .....
If I have said anything too uncivil in my posts then I apologize here & now to all of you & with sincerity..
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I can see that actually,Ricky is a guy who if you give him a margin for error,he'll be happy to take it. So I can see him having to discipline himself for a lower weight may indeed help him.
Honest it really does make a difference with Rick ... but cheers for taking the time to at least understand where Im coming from ... thats much appreciated bud...
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CFH
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bambamdaddio
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CFH
Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?
If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.
You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.
Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too
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lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.
PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.
How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.
The words "Hatton" and "drive" rarelly if ever come up with out the words "doesnt have any" in the same sentence
I love watching Hatton fight,but face facts son,he's just about the laziest SOB who ever made that level as a fighter
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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CFH
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bambamdaddio
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CFH
Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?
If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.
You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.
Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too
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lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.
PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.
How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.
If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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bambamdaddio
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CFH
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bambamdaddio
Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too
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lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.
PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.
How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.
If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...
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Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.
If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.
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CFH
lol, how am I taking things personally? I just feel that your explanation is invalid and extremely flawed. I seriously doubt that a fighter with Hatton's drive and ability would need the extra edge that making 140 provides. And if that is the case, Hatton and his team should be well aware of it, so why not weigh in at 140 then? It's not like he would need the extra weight against PBF, they would still end up entering the ring at a similar weight.
PVF,in addition to being an accurate, counter-punching, defensive master is simply a better fighter than Hatton in almost every, if not every, aspect of the game. I was cheering for Hatton, and I would if they should fight again, but they could meet at any weight from 105-300lbs and PBF would win.
How am I wrong? Refute some of my points and I'll gladly continue the discussion with you.
If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...
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Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.
If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.
Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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And before the fight here gets personall
Why I can see it
Ricky is notorious for blowing off training and diet,knowing he had to get down in weight, might force some discipline on him wether he liked it or not.
Would that have made a difference against Floyd? Who knows. But it probably have been better for him then letting him slack his way up in weight.
HALLAYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYA ..MY WHOLE POINT ....THANX BUD FOR UNDERSTANDING ME...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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If you cant even understand why he wont weigh in as a smaller fighter how can you understand me .. your saying fight a welter but come in as a lite welter then...lets clear that up first...
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Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.
If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.
Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.
If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.
Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple
uhhh, what?
I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Pretty easy to clear up, PBF was not a true welter. He entered the ring weight significantly less than a typical welter would. He also began his career at a lower weigh than Hatton.
If Hatton was fighting someone other than PBF, that point would be valid.
Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight
Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...
I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple
uhhh, what?
I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.
You asked why they moved up in weight,even if it wasnt in Hattons best interests
I answered, fights at higher weights do better money,if it had happened at a lower weight,it wouldnt have done as much book
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Bud ya missing my point ... Hatton is sharper & more explosive at lite welter and would fight a better fight than last timme ... nothing to do with Floyd & his weight ... nothing at all ... its what Hatton has to go thru to make lite welter that changes him as a fighter ...
Floyd is the greatest fighter of his generation for me but Ricky Hatton did not fight his best fight againsrt Floyd at welter thats all Im saying....he woulda fought his fight better at lw ... no more no less
So you dont agree that the extra training & discipline make a difference thats fine & your opinion & as Ive said I respect that with anyone..
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight
Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...
I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..
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Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.
But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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There's more money at the higher weights
Plain and simple
uhhh, what?
I'm well aware of the reasons behind PBF's moving up in weight, but that has nothing to do with what I just wrote.
You asked why they moved up in weight,even if it wasnt in Hattons best interests
I answered, fights at higher weights do better money,if it had happened at a lower weight,it wouldnt have done as much book
You're misunderstanding what I said, I never asked why the fight took place at 147.
Regardless, the PBF-Hatton fight would have made just as much money and aroused just as much interest at 140 anyways, but that's a digresson.
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.
I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.
Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight
Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...
I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..
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Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.
But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.
I apologise if I didnt make a valid point to you but TrainerMonkey understands me so to me the point was worth making...
You dont agree I accept that ...& ill stop harpin on now too:beerchug:
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