Hatton - Pacman, If Hatton wins, will he be the p4p number 1?

Should ricky hatton beat manny pacquiao, would hatton be regarded as the new p4p number 1? I was just wondering about this and was intrested to know other peoples opinions. ;)

I'd say no, I think he'd go back into the top 10 alright but would need a couple more big scalps, most likly he'd have to move up to get the big fights against Cotto, Mosley and Margarito which I don't think he would win...

People wouldnt want to give it to him because he got beat so soundly by Mayweather a year ago.

If Pacquiao is the p4p number one and has just beaten someone in a higher weight class than Ricky and then gets beaten by Ricky, it will then be a toss up between Calzaghe and Hatton for number one, when was the last time British boxing could say that?

The only reason Hatton wouldnt be is not because he wouldnt deserve it but because he would be begrudged it:rolleyes:

Everyone here, or a big majority is singing Pacs praises, if he gets shot down by Hatton there will be excuses, like well Hatton is naturally stronger and De La Hoya was weight drained and tired, well if any of this is said if and when Hatton wins then should Pacquiao be ahead of Calzaghe right now?

No Hatton wont be p4p king if he wins Pacman! He will move in the top 6 but not number 1 imo.

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People wouldnt want to give it to him because he got beat so soundly by Mayweather a year ago.

If Pacquiao is the p4p number one and has just beaten someone in a higher weight class than Ricky and then gets beaten by Ricky, it will then be a toss up between Calzaghe and Hatton for number one, when was the last time British boxing could say that?

The only reason Hatton wouldnt be is not because he wouldnt deserve it but because he would be begrudged it:rolleyes:

Everyone here, or a big majority is singing Pacs praises, if he gets shot down by Hatton there will be excuses, like well Hatton is naturally stronger and De La Hoya was weight drained and tired, well if any of this is said if and when Hatton wins then should Pacquiao be ahead of Calzaghe right now?

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on that grounds would u have had Tarver at no1 when he beat Jones?

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I'd say no, I think he'd go back into the top 10 alright but would need a couple more big scalps, most likly he'd have to move up to get the big fights against Cotto, Mosley and Margarito which I don't think he would win...

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I see, but isnt hatton already in the top ten p4p?

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Originally Posted by ross

People wouldnt want to give it to him because he got beat so soundly by Mayweather a year ago.

If Pacquiao is the p4p number one and has just beaten someone in a higher weight class than Ricky and then gets beaten by Ricky, it will then be a toss up between Calzaghe and Hatton for number one, when was the last time British boxing could say that?

The only reason Hatton wouldnt be is not because he wouldnt deserve it but because he would be begrudged it:rolleyes:

Everyone here, or a big majority is singing Pacs praises, if he gets shot down by Hatton there will be excuses, like well Hatton is naturally stronger and De La Hoya was weight drained and tired, well if any of this is said if and when Hatton wins then should Pacquiao be ahead of Calzaghe right now?

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good points mate! i got the feeling that people would begrudge it to him aswell because of the mayweather defeat. But having said that, the pacman has been beaten 3 times and has 2 draws. It's all very confusing to work out isnt it! Maybe Calzaghe should be p4p number 1 right now just simply because he is undefeated.

You cant go to P4P number 1 in 1 fight especially if you are not even in the top 10 he needs to prove he can mix it at the top level, I don't think Hatton has the time left in his career to get to P4P 1

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I'd say no, I think he'd go back into the top 10 alright but would need a couple more big scalps, most likly he'd have to move up to get the big fights against Cotto, Mosley and Margarito which I don't think he would win...

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I see, but isnt hatton already in the top ten p4p?

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Yes sir! I think Ring Magazine has him at #10 if I'm not mistaken.

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No Hatton wont be p4p king if he wins Pacman! He will move in the top 6 but not number 1 imo.

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I think the same thing. If Hatton was already in the top 5, then yes he would be P4P #1 if he beats Pacquiao.

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People wouldnt want to give it to him because he got beat so soundly by Mayweather a year ago.

If Pacquiao is the p4p number one and has just beaten someone in a higher weight class than Ricky and then gets beaten by Ricky, it will then be a toss up between Calzaghe and Hatton for number one, when was the last time British boxing could say that?

The only reason Hatton wouldnt be is not because he wouldnt deserve it but because he would be begrudged it:rolleyes:

Everyone here, or a big majority is singing Pacs praises, if he gets shot down by Hatton there will be excuses, like well Hatton is naturally stronger and De La Hoya was weight drained and tired, well if any of this is said if and when Hatton wins then should Pacquiao be ahead of Calzaghe right now?

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good points mate! i got the feeling that people would begrudge it to him aswell because of the mayweather defeat. But having said that, the pacman has been beaten 3 times and has 2 draws. It's all very confusing to work out isnt it! Maybe Calzaghe should be p4p number 1 right now just simply because he is undefeated.

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Calzaghe is def not P4P #1. There was a good case for him prior to Pac's year, but now, Pac has seperated himself from Joe.

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I'd say no, I think he'd go back into the top 10 alright but would need a couple more big scalps, most likly he'd have to move up to get the big fights against Cotto, Mosley and Margarito which I don't think he would win...

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I see, but isnt hatton already in the top ten p4p?

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I guess this is the fun thing about p4p, everyone has there own opinion ;D
for me I'd have Hatton just outside but yeah alot of people probably have him top 10

No he wouldn't.

Even if Ricky beats Pac that wouldn't prove he'd beat him in a P4P situation.. unless someone can prove 140 is Pac's best ever fighting weight ;)

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People wouldnt want to give it to him because he got beat so soundly by Mayweather a year ago.

If Pacquiao is the p4p number one and has just beaten someone in a higher weight class than Ricky and then gets beaten by Ricky, it will then be a toss up between Calzaghe and Hatton for number one, when was the last time British boxing could say that?

The only reason Hatton wouldnt be is not because he wouldnt deserve it but because he would be begrudged it:rolleyes:

Everyone here, or a big majority is singing Pacs praises, if he gets shot down by Hatton there will be excuses, like well Hatton is naturally stronger and De La Hoya was weight drained and tired, well if any of this is said if and when Hatton wins then should Pacquiao be ahead of Calzaghe right now?

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good points mate! i got the feeling that people would begrudge it to him aswell because of the mayweather defeat. But having said that, the pacman has been beaten 3 times and has 2 draws. It's all very confusing to work out isnt it! Maybe Calzaghe should be p4p number 1 right now just simply because he is undefeated.

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Calzaghe is def not P4P #1. There was a good case for him prior to Pac's year, but now, Pac has seperated himself from Joe.

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yeah id probably agree, although pacman vs JMM could have gone either way. OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

Right now I'm not sure I'd have him in my top ten so no.

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OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

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It would have to go to the next highest ranked which would be Joe;D

Being p4p should be based on consistency not any one fight, we all know styles make fights, but they don't make one fighter consistently dominant, or make one guy consistently win against the top level of opposition no matter who it is.

The short answer is: No, Hatton wouldn't be #1 p4p.

To be sure, a strong argument would exist, however, if after beating Pacman, Hatton beat the winner of the Juan Diaz v. JMM fight. Additionally, take note that two spots in the top ten would free up if Calzaghe and Bhop retired in the next year (which is very probable).

I think, why can't Hatton be close to number 1 P4P as he's been up to 147 and beat some really decent guys there before being beaten by Mayweather who was P4P 1 and now retired... And Hatton owns 140... But that's exactly it, he's only owning 1 weight class at the moment even with his past exploits.

There are other fighters who are making a good go of getting through their division and actively looking outside their division for more challenges.. They were where Hatton was when he travelled up to 147, and there was big arguement for Hatton being P4P #2 then behind Mayweather, and if he actually beat Mayweather, in my mind would have been #1...


His only let down for the top spot is that he's unable to venture out of 140 anymore,,, and that 140 isn't the most stacked division at the moment by any means.. So the accolades just aren't there for him like other fighers.. His run at it was 1 to 2 years ago... Even if he beats Pac now I feel..

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Being p4p should be based on consistency not any one fight, we all know styles make fights, but they don't make one fighter consistently dominant, or make one guy consistently win against the top level of opposition no matter who it is.

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Except Mayweather.. But he's out of the game so Fk him... You're statement stands.. :)

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I think, why can't Hatton be close to number 1 P4P as he's been up to 147 and beat some really decent guys there before being beaten by Mayweather who was P4P 1 and now retired... And Hatton owns 140... But that's exactly it, he's only owning 1 weight class at the moment even with his past exploits.

There are other fighters who are making a good go of getting through their division and actively looking outside their division for more challenges.. They were where Hatton was when he travelled up to 147, and there was big arguement for Hatton being P4P #2 then behind Mayweather, and if he actually beat Mayweather, in my mind would have been #1...


His only let down for the top spot is that he's unable to venture out of 140 anymore,,, and that 140 isn't the most stacked division at the moment by any means.. So the accolades just aren't there for him like other fighers.. His run at it was 1 to 2 years ago... Even if he beats Pac now I feel..

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he only fought twice at 147 Mayweather and Collazo, its a shame he didn't adjust to 147 because thats where the big fights are now(apart from Pac ;D)

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good points mate! i got the feeling that people would begrudge it to him aswell because of the mayweather defeat. But having said that, the pacman has been beaten 3 times and has 2 draws. It's all very confusing to work out isnt it! Maybe Calzaghe should be p4p number 1 right now just simply because he is undefeated.

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Calzaghe is def not P4P #1. There was a good case for him prior to Pac's year, but now, Pac has seperated himself from Joe.

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yeah id probably agree, although pacman vs JMM could have gone either way. OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

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Most P4P lists have either Joe Calzaghe or Juan Manuel Marquez as #2 so which ever is at #2 becomes #1.

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OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

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It would have to go to the next highest ranked which would be Joe;D

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In my P4P list, that would have to go to Juan Manuel Marquez. Ring Magazine has JMM at #2 as well.

It's not gonna matter because Hatton is gonna get bulldozed!

The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

No, but he should be in the top 6 if he does. Another top win puts him top 3 and then another win could put him top. A pretty tough thing to ask though.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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It's clear cut to me. If Hatton were to beat Pacquiao, the world's # 1 p4p, at Pacquiao's natural fighting weight... THEN I could see a case for Hatton being considered for the top spot. Other than that, no.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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yeah true! so i suppose the only way for hatton to get to number 1 is to beat pacman and then mayweather! not likely ey!

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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Manny was a boy at 105-108. He's fought for over three years and has had his best, classic fights at 130. Only in his last two fights (David Diaz at 135 and DLH at 147) has Manny ventured outside 130. I see no basis for your claim that 135-140 is his natural weight. That, IMO would only add to Hatton's claim for being # 1 p4p were he to beat Pac at 140. And that's simply not true.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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Manny was a boy at 105-108. He's fought for over three years and has had his best, classic fights at 130. Only in his last two fights (David Diaz at 135 and DLH at 147) has Manny ventured outside 130. I see no basis for your claim that 135-140 is his natural weight. That, IMO would only add to Hatton's claim for being # 1 p4p were he to beat Pac at 140. And that's simply not true.

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Manny Pacquiao is a fully grown man now, and has added muscle. In such a way where it hasn't effected his speed, so he naturally put the muscle on, has kept all his attributes, which leds me to believe that 135-140 is now his natural weight.

And not only that he is also an improved boxer in the last few years, so i believe Ricky Hatton does deserve alot of credit if he beat Manny Pacquiao, who i believe when he fights Ricky Hatton won't be far from his natural weight.

Titofan im just curious what do you feel Manny Pacquiao's natural weight is then ?

I'm a massive Ricky Hatton fan and I'm always behind him 100% and believe in his ability to be a consistant top level fighter. However I find it hard making a case to call him the best boxer in the world if he were to beat Pac. IMO, the P4P list is rated on the following 4 points:

1. Who you've beaten
2. What you've achieved (Titles)
3. Being successful at numerous weightclasses
4. All round boxing ability

There are a few fighters who would tick more of those boxes than Ricky to prevent him from ever becoming P4P I'm afraid.

If Hatton beats Packman, it will be another victory against a blown up lighter wht boxer, Hatton has only beaten men lighter than himself, and strugled, against some boxers, of his own wht class, i'm sure we all know, who they are without a mention from me, Hatton is a 10 stone boxer, a pound for pounder must be able to cover more than one wht, a PFP HE AINT.

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If Hatton beats Packman, it will be another victory against a blown up lighter wht boxer, Hatton has only beaten men lighter than himself, and strugled, against some boxers, of his own wht class, i'm sure we all know, who they are without a mention from me, Hatton is a 10 stone boxer, a pound for pounder must be able to cover more than one wht, a PFP HE AINT.

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He's only failed to beat one guy so far, I agree with most posters that a victory over Pac would only take him into the top 6, but to say that he's only beaten lighter guys than himself is clearly not true.

Or is Kostya Tszyu, arguably the best Light-Welterweight of all time (although I would rank both Pryor & JCC above him), nothing special? He certainly wasn't lighter having fought his entire pro career at 140. Same with Malignaggi & Urango. He has also won a world title at 147, even if he did look shit doin it.

Now I'm really not saying that he is P4P No.1 so I agree with you there, but to say he's only beaten lighter guys is clearly not true, although he still loses to Pac IMO. Also, I'm really not tryin to take the piss, and I know it's only a boxing forum, but try not using commas so often because it breaks up your sentences too much :)