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Some may say it's not safe, but The Cambidge Diet is a great way to lose Weight & Fat very quickly whilst protecting valuable muscle tissue. You will gain the weight back though unless you are VERY careful.
H. Did you do the slimfast plan?;D
;D I am Barry BethellQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.
Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?
all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.
Correct me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
The best diet to lose weight is to consume the foods you like. In addition, exercise, which is crucial to long-lasting weight loss. With determination, everybody can lose weight in a healthy way.
While taking a good planning in your daily meal plan,that would make you strong and healthy.And also you should take care about your diet and calories you take in your diet that would be the important for you.
1.The best diet to lose weight is includes foods that have a high nutrition value. This food generally provides a balance of vitamins, proteins, fats, minerals, carbohydrates and fiber. The most important facts of all, drink more water and less soft drink.
2. Eat more portion of the good foods. Go for fresh vegetables instead of crisps. Add edible growth of plants to your cereal at morning meal. Use the salad counter when you go out for midday meals or to the food market store, and load up on juice rather than usual instant coffee, tea or fizzy drink.
Ketosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.
Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?
The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
- It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
- It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs- Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.
So the diet would be pretty useless for an athelete. If the diet is very low in carbohydrate, at some point muscle tissue will have to be used for energy. Around 15% of energy comes from protein during exercise anyway so muscle loss is obviously going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HKetosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.
Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?
The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
- It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
- It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs- Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.
Other than that, speedy weight loss for the non-athlete.
So essentially a high protein diet/Atkins type thing.
ono -it starts to get very complicated. :D You start getting in to carbs - those that sugar those that don't - check out how food labels are listed.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Not from what I've always been taught. Essentially fat is your guarantee in case of famine so your body doesn't want to lose it until it has to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow BoxerCorrect me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Which is why so many people who yo-yo diet end up fatter than when they started, they've lost muscle/muscle burns calories, they've also slowed they metabolic rate by starving, as soon they start eating 'normally' you body goes great! Famine over, lets store fat incase there's another one.
all BS really;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I think as soon as you start cutting out a major food group you start craving it. Try going an entire week or two without any form of bread/pasta/rice etc, you'll be craving pizza within days.;D
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyall BS really;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I think as soon as you start cutting out a major food group you start craving it. Try going an entire week or two without any form of bread/pasta/rice etc, you'll be craving pizza within days.;D
I'm very close to a diploma in sports nutrition. The really was meant as sarcasm ;D
I'm not a fan of cutting out carbohydrates. There's better ways to lose weight. Like you say, the average person doesn't have amazing restraint when it comes to food selection and cutting out carbs will eventually lead to a point where the craving gets to badly that the person will likely to return to their old ways. I hear you about the Pizza....espeically with Dominoes just a phone call away ;D
A diet where gradual reduction in carbohydrate is probably the better solution long term. Especially for an athlete. We all saw what happened to Oscar when he followed a low carbohydrate - high protein diet leading up to the Pac fight. He made weight really well......but that's the only positive thing you can really say about his performance. ;D
Sorry mate, I edited your post trying to quote you! fixed it - Adam
ah. ;D.
Hell, I can't keep up with everyone's private life!:lickish:
Oscar should smack whoever advised him or if he doesn't have the strength to lift his arms ask Pac to do it.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I just can't believe Oscar of all people recieved that sort of nutritional advice. It's just plain awful.
He's eaten since the fight so he should just about be able to take his trainer. Just. Depends on how much pac took out of him ;D
"best weigh to lose weight" pun intended?
seriously, if you cut calories but still eat correctly and by the food groups you will lose excess fat. If you workout daily/every other day you will lose fat much quicker. I suppose it all depends on your goal.
Without getting into details like Ono and co., if you have excess "fat" on your body, meaning you're not in good shape, then you don't need a damn diet plan, or even diet book to tell you what to eat. Just exercise and cut calories. You will lose fat so fast.
If you're in good shape and trying to get in better shape, then you should look into talking to a nutritionist and stuff of that sort.
just my opinion and thoughts from my previous experience of losing weight and getting into shape. I was never ever over weight, but i trimmed about 15 lbs in 2 months to get into great shape. Took a little while but doing it the right way paid off.
Very simple: there is no quick and easy way. It requires hard work and a basic diet. You don't have to be counting every single calorie, eat smart. Cut back on artificial foods. Live by the rule: "If man made it, don't eat it." Man was made to eat a whole bunch of things not to count his calories. Notice that our ancestors weren't eating a bunch of synthetic foods like we do. Workout hard, eat smart (natural and not too much), and be consistent and you will loose fat. Don't go on some fad diet that the human body wasnt made to do. It's not rocket science just common sense.
You can't lose weight quickly and do it safely...
A low Carb diet would be AWFUL idea for a serious athlete... look at oscar De La Hoya's last fight.
As long as you are eating a sensible, nutritious diet I don't think you need anything more than a structured exercises regime incorporating muscle developing exercises and plenty of Anaerobic training to boost your metabolic rate.
It would help us if you told us a few things:
Why are you losing the weight?
How much weight do you have to lose?
What amount of time do you have?
What intensity do you perform at (if at all)?
A misspelled thread title followed by the message '???' isn't really going to get you anything at all focused or unvague.
your all thinking im fat or something ? :rolleyes: losing weight quickly and safely surley you would of guessed for a bout ?
you give us too much credit for being able to figure things out lolQuote:
Originally Posted by leggy
but I knew why you were leggy, but didn't add anything as it was so close to your fight I don't think you should have messed with your diet then. I think it would only have weakened you. As it turned out you had your fight and won it, so.
Fat Koont!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leggy
1 hour (speed 7) on StairMaster will kick your butt.
You will lose a thousand calories and 3 lbs instantly (depends on your current weigh). It's favorite gym machine.
It could just of easily been for a holiday or even a date or something... you'd be surprised at the questions we get asked in here!Quote:
Originally Posted by leggy
So... how much weight and what amount of time?
Id say drop some calories but make sure what your eating is good for you. Id say it would work better with a low calorie high protein diet. Add in some cardio EVERYDAY! Interval training is best as apparently it stops the body from going catabolic and diminishing muscle. Add in some amino acids to help maintain muscle and you should lose fat, weight and still keep muscle. But i could be wrong, just my thoughts.
lol...uh-huh.. that doesn't make sense son, please provide published medical records proving that, because I really can't find any on pubmed...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Word up, about time someone gives a normal response.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.
Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?
Thanks Ono.
If you guys haven't noticed, i havent been on the forum that much for 3-4months, i've been cutting down for boxing, and i only started training last week. I cut down from 97kg, now im 83.5-84, and maintained alot of my muscle, my bodyfat currently is at 12%, which im pretty happy as i have no gut anymore. I trained as a bodybuilder rather than a boxer, but the whole principle to dieting is the same, your calories are the only variable as training is different.
Put it this way, if you're a boxer you will end up requiring more calories, because u burn more with running, jogging, skipping, boxing, sparring, so on and so forth.
You can still lose weight with boxing, but you're going to break down more muscle because the training you are doing is a mixture of various exercises that require different primary sources of fuel, i.e. jogging=glycogen from food you just ate in your pre workout meal.
While High intensity interval training (sprint/walk/sprint/walk) uses fat and some glycogen from your pre workout meal, and very little muscle.
Losing muscle is inevitable while dieting to lose weight, you're going to lose it either way, because you are on a calorie deficit diet and you have low insulin levels, therefore its extremely hard to stay anabolic at all times.
AHAHAHAH, bro, ketosis is for obese people, and it should only be used in short term, it also enlarges the glands near your throat if you're on it too long. Ketosis isnt for atheletes, a caloric deficit diet is ideal for losing weight and maintaining muscle.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HKetosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.
Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?
The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
- It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
- It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs- Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.
You can eat pretty much a variety of things if you count it into your macronutrient ratio on a caloric deficit diet. Your diet would roughly look like this: protein each meal, around 8-10g of fats each meal, very little carbohydrates in the morning, a proper amount of carbohydrates pre workout and post workout, 6-7 meals (including shake).
^^
Thats what a normal caloric deficit diet looks like, so you basically have first hand experience from me, ive just come off it, its not some fucked up diet from hollywood, its not even a 'diet', its just science, reducing your carbs and fats, but keeping them at a level where you're just on boarder line.
If you're a male never have your calories below 2000.
ok thats enough from me, once again, thanks for the post Ono, good to see we have some educated people on the forum
Atkins does work,but its incredibly unhealthy for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyall BS really;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I think as soon as you start cutting out a major food group you start craving it. Try going an entire week or two without any form of bread/pasta/rice etc, you'll be craving pizza within days.;D
You simply need to just figure out roughly how many calories you are eating a day and then reduce it while doing some sort of cardio. You need carbs for energy, the best way to do this is to eat them at times when you require energy so you burn them. If you eat a shit load of carbs all the time then it gets stored and turned into fat. Carbs are not bad as long as you use them the right way. So you shouldnt really forget carbs and just eat protein, you need to include both in your diet. Cutting weight is mostly diet, if you were to do hectic cardio every day and eat nothing but shit you would get no results. Losing weight in an unhealthy matter like water weight, starving or any other stupid way then you will most likely not maintain it. Cut the shit food out, no soft drinks...AT ALL, no chocolate...no alcohol, eat some salads, steak, breast chicken,tuna,fruit...all common sense really. Oh and pizza is the kind of thing that could ruin all the hard work you do in a week in one night ;)
Hi leggy,
I could recommend you a diet system, called Qwave. And I hope this would be helpful to you as it was to me. I think is is best way to lose weight safety and quickly. Just google it, qwave com.
Good luck,
Danielle
I didn't suggest it for athletes, I said you can lose weight quickly and healthily ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortallol...uh-huh.. that doesn't make sense son, please provide published medical records proving that, because I really can't find any on pubmed...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Word up, about time someone gives a normal response.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Thanks Ono.
If you guys haven't noticed, i havent been on the forum that much for 3-4months, i've been cutting down for boxing, and i only started training last week. I cut down from 97kg, now im 83.5-84, and maintained alot of my muscle, my bodyfat currently is at 12%, which im pretty happy as i have no gut anymore. I trained as a bodybuilder rather than a boxer, but the whole principle to dieting is the same, your calories are the only variable as training is different.
Put it this way, if you're a boxer you will end up requiring more calories, because u burn more with running, jogging, skipping, boxing, sparring, so on and so forth.
You can still lose weight with boxing, but you're going to break down more muscle because the training you are doing is a mixture of various exercises that require different primary sources of fuel, i.e. jogging=glycogen from food you just ate in your pre workout meal.
While High intensity interval training (sprint/walk/sprint/walk) uses fat and some glycogen from your pre workout meal, and very little muscle.
Losing muscle is inevitable while dieting to lose weight, you're going to lose it either way, because you are on a calorie deficit diet and you have low insulin levels, therefore its extremely hard to stay anabolic at all times.
AHAHAHAH, bro, ketosis is for obese people, and it should only be used in short term, it also enlarges the glands near your throat if you're on it too long. Ketosis isnt for atheletes,Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HKetosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
- It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
- It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs- Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.
The Verti Run 5 times a week ;D
The easy and best way to lose weight could be depend upon what type of diet you take and the food you eat.
Skinny Water Diet also helps you burn calories, by adding to your body's ability to do so, and by making sure that there are not excess calories that may need to be burned. Lastly, Skinny Water helps your metabolism function better. This ultimately leads to weight loss because your metabolism should be allowing you to burn the calories that you are actually taking in. Once you have achieved your weight loss goals, you can burn calories without worrying about gaining that excess weight.
LOL, why thank you for that enlightening post, which pharmaceutical conglomerate do you work for?Quote:
Originally Posted by LioraEngler
You can't help your metabolism 'function better', you can alter it by a couple percent at most if you were dieting strict and training consistently, otherwise you'd be transforming from an ectomorph, to endomorph to mesomorph etc. Everyone has a set metabolism from genetics and from the way your body developed from young, so the only thing you can do to combat it if you're a person that eats and it shows, with a gut or whatever, is determining what body type you have ecto,endo,meso like i said before.
"Once you have achieved your weight loss goals, you can burn calories without worrying about gaining that excess weight."
HAAHAHAHA, where in god's name did you get that from, that has got to be the biggest load of ... i've ever heard.
Once you lose your weight, you still have to watch what you eat, but not so religiously because you are on a maintenance diet, rather than a deficit, i.e. you can eat a bit more carbs and fat and not worry about it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I just get the shits when I see all these bullshit commercial diets posted, and if i hear one more word about lemon detox diet, im going to knockout someone.
You are corrected.. He's right. It doesn't sound right at first, but you have to remember that your body uses what is readily available. The water comes and goes, the muscle and carbs get depleted, then you can begin to hit up that stored energy. Fat cells get used as energy, the good news about muscle is, it grows back when you work it/lose it with rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow BoxerCorrect me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Quickly is just not the best way to think about losing weight. Nutritionists say losing more than 1lb of body fat a week is dangerous.
Not really bro, you probably are thinking more than 1 kg, i've trained with professional bodybuilders and nutritionists, I'm more than positive it is 1kg, rather than pound.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsYou are corrected.. He's right. It doesn't sound right at first, but you have to remember that your body uses what is readily available. The water comes and goes, the muscle and carbs get depleted, then you can begin to hit up that stored energy. Fat cells get used as energy, the good news about muscle is, it grows back when you work it/lose it with rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow BoxerCorrect me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Quickly is just not the best way to think about losing weight. Nutritionists say losing more than 1lb of body fat a week is dangerous.
Work out, snack regularly in small amounts with small/good calorie intake (don't eat a doughnut for a snack, try fruit or granola or salad), and drink more water