Active Jr. Welters

This division in the past two years has shaped into a surprisingly strong weight class. I'm very happy to see things progressing for the Jr. Welters as I've always been a fan of what the division has to offer as far as speed, power, movement and stamina coupled together.

It's really looking solid.

Tim Bradley
Ricky Hatton
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz
Juan Urango
Paulie Malignaggi
Victor Ortiz
Lamont Peterson
Kendall Holt
Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana

There's alot of good fights to be made right now in this division.

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This division in the past two years has shaped into a surprisingly strong weight class. I'm very happy to see things progressing for the Jr. Welters as I've always been a fan of what the division has to offer as far as speed, power, movement and stamina coupled together.

It's really looking solid.

Tim Bradley
Ricky Hatton
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz
Juan Urango
Paulie Malignaggi
Victor Ortiz
Lamont Peterson
Kendall Holt
Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana

There's alot of good fights to be made right now in this division.

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and theres still also Ricardo Torres and Demetrius Hopkins who are both solid guys at 140

love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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You seriously are beginning to worry me with your obsession with Hatton.

Bradley at this moment in my eyes is ahead of Hatton in the rankings. He has unifed two belts in the past 12/18 months and has been active Hatton would loose to a few on that list.

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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You figured it out,this whole thread is a conspiracy against Hatton

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

really turnin out to be one boxing mostt skilled divisions lot of youth there and vets. very deep division turnin out to be one of my favs

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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no wonder Hammer is such a Hatton fan....

he's just as fucking dumb lol there is no such thing as the goddam "p4p title" :rolleyes: if we were goin by that DLH is leaps and bounds ahead of Hatton seeing how he's gone up against the guy considered p4p #1 on 3 separate occasions Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao lol and he lost all 3 the same, doesn't make him a p4p quality fighter anymore today

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no wonder Hammer is such a Hatton fan....

he's just as fucking dumb lol there is no such thing as the goddam "p4p title" :rolleyes: if we were goin by that DLH is leaps and bounds ahead of Hatton seeing how he's gone up against the guy considered p4p #1 on 3 separate occasions Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao lol and he lost all 3 the same, doesn't make him a p4p quality fighter anymore today

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If i were you id get on the phone to ring magazine, the WBC,WBA,WBO and pretty much everybody who is associated with boxing at this present time

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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Your kind of cementing my arguement here bud. You point to Hatton's biggest wins, and fail to factor in the most recent being 3 years ago? Are you taking into account his two biggest fights both being losses, occuring AFTER his biggest wins?
What the hell does his past glory have to do with where he should be ranked currently? Of course his resume trumps Bradleys, and he WAS a better fighter, to say they are currently headed in opposite directions is a bit of an understatement though.
In the last 2 years Hatton rebounded after the Floyd loss by looking extremely shaky at home at being in big trouble against Juan Lazcano, then he bounced back with a good win against a perfect stylistic matchup for him in Powderpuff, then was completely annhialated in 2 rounds against Pacman, and has since balooned up as much as he ever has, and contemplated retirement several times. We don't even know if he's ever going to fight again as it stands.. Bradley on the other hand is improving vastly and looked sensational against a very good fighter who proved his worth in Peterson. I think Bradley has the dynamics to beat Hatton clearly at present, and to imply that it's somehow Nationalistic for other's to share that view is fairly sad imo.

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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Castillo??? Are you serious mate, you class that as a good win, Castillo was past it he got a lucky decision on the Urango undercard.

Bradley beat Holt who was the WBO champ and ranked 4 when Bradley beat him, he also beat the then WBC champ Junior Witter in his own back
yard the same guy Hatton has been ducking for best part of ten years, he also beat the experienced Nate Campbell and just beat another unbeaton prospect this last weekend, Bradley has done all this nearly two years before Hatton actully fought anyone world class.

Hammer your good for a laugh mate but your Hatton posts are comical and make you look rather foolish at times.

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And was twice KTFO, last time out at 140, in 2 rounds. I suppose that's of no bearing when determining where he ranks in his division though? The only fighter anywhere close to p4p that Hatton ever beat was Tsyzu, YEARS ago. Would it be as ludicrous to rank David Haye above say, Larry Holmes, should he make a return to the ring? I'd definetly pick Bradley over Hatton at this point in time, and that's without even accounting for the likehood of Hatton being impacted by the layoff and dropping so much weight. Also, I know it was a typo, but it's cracking me up how you wrote Hatton fought for the title of best p4p "title". That was his illusion exactly.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


....................
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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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The point is we are talking about now. What has Hatton done in the last 3 years to suggest he is still the best 140 pounder in the world? Im convinced Bradley would do better against Pac and PBF than Ricky did (couldnt do much worse). Bradleys style would have given Tszyu problems as well, and thats coming from a Kostya fan.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

This division in the past two years has shaped into a surprisingly strong weight class. I'm very happy to see things progressing for the Jr. Welters as I've always been a fan of what the division has to offer as far as speed, power, movement and stamina coupled together.

It's really looking solid.

Tim Bradley
Ricky Hatton
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz
Juan Urango
Paulie Malignaggi
Victor Ortiz
Lamont Peterson
Kendall Holt
Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana

There's alot of good fights to be made right now in this division.

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and theres still also Ricardo Torres and Demetrius Hopkins who are both solid guys at 140

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Torres can't make 140 anymore mate.

Also...How did undefeated WBC Champion Devon Alexander escape both of your lists?

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Mate you are seriosuly deluded at times:

First off did you miss the Castillo v Ngoudjo fight? Castillos first fight at 140 and he looked awful he lost that fight on my scorecard then two fights after the Hatton fight he lost to fucking Sebastian Lujan ffs and since then hasnt beat anyone close to world class id actully say his level of opponent are just a notch up form fighting the likes of Kid Thunder, Castillo win was against a shot version of the great fighter.

Now Hatton went to America so basically your saying Hatton didnt duck Witter he went to America? Well Hatton v Witter has been on the cards since 2000, and for some reason Hatton thought it would be better to fight the likes of Steven Smith and Ray Olivera :rolleyes:.

Hatton should of fought Witter rite after he beat Jason Rowland or anytime after that up until he fought Eamon Mcgee but he didnt I wonder why?? Warren did not fancy the job one bit and I can see why, so the America excuse is a load of rubbish mate.

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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no wonder Hammer is such a Hatton fan....

he's just as fucking dumb lol there is no such thing as the goddam "p4p title" :rolleyes: if we were goin by that DLH is leaps and bounds ahead of Hatton seeing how he's gone up against the guy considered p4p #1 on 3 separate occasions Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao lol and he lost all 3 the same, doesn't make him a p4p quality fighter anymore today

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If i were you id get on the phone to ring magazine, the WBC,WBA,WBO and pretty much everybody who is associated with boxing at this present time

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p4p lists are built on opinion, it's not an actual sanctioning body or title dipshit lol hence the reasoning no one can fight for a "p4p title", it's as ludicrous as the WBC's "Diamond Belt" :-X

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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funny how after Floyd stomped that ass Ricky was all of a sudden too small for welter, and even funnier how when Pacquiao put him into a coma after 2 rounds Ricky's "past caught up to him"

Castillo already showed signs of decline when he barely beat Ngoudjo

Herman Ngoudjo is a decent fighter NOW, when Castillo got past him he wasn't anywhere close to what he is now, and lacked experience big time, since then he lost to Hatton and Lujan, are you seriously trying to imply that Sebastian Lujan is a world beater cause he has a win over Castillo?

Hatton beat a game Tszyu....in a fight where the ref let him do whatever the fuck he pleased and not even get a warning

Hatton could have easily made way more money fighting Witter in England than fighting the likes of Malignaggi in Vegas :-X

and anyone who doesn't think that Holt and Peterson are more well rounded and talented fighters than Castillo (at the point he fought Hatton) and Urango (who was beaten even worse by Berto) is pretty much blind

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lets get this right...

ricky hatton has beaten...

Kostya Tszyu
Jose Luis Castillo

ricky hatton has fought...

floyd mayweather jnr
manny pacquiao


Timothy Bradley has beaten........


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timothy bradley has fought......

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Don't be stupid.

Castillo had been in many wars, It was long before Hatton that he was regarded past it, He struggled to beat average Ngoudjo just before the Hatton fight.

Tszyu was a good win for Hatton. Hatton's best performance in his career.

Tszyu was no longer in his prime but was still a very good fighter.

A Hatton - Witter fight would of been huge in the U.K. They had major hate towards each other and were both champs in their weight class.

When it came down to an actual fight though, Hatton would make excuses like "why would i want to give Witter a payday" when thats just bullshit. They had there differences, it's a shame Hatton didn't want to settle them in a ring.

I don't like Witter but just admit it, Hatton didn't want none.

Holt and Peterson are good fighters. When you consider Bradley has only had 26 fights, his resume is solid. Who had Hatton fought worth mentioning after 26 fights ? Jon Thaxton ? :rolleyes:

Hatton did fight Pacquiao and Mayweather but the thing is he lost so why does two knockout losses count for something on Hattons resume ?

hahaha like 5 posts from 5 people with the same response.

ANYWAY................

Yes I think 140 has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 18 months.

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.

However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.

However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.

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I agree his win over Malignaggi was much more meaningful than the Castillo win. He was able to put Paulie outside of his comfort zone and keep him there. Witter for all his flaws had a belt, Bradley went into his backyard and took it from him.

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I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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hand on heart then killer...

If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....


JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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hand on heart then killer...

If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....


JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??

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We are not dealing in IF's we are looking at facts, Hatton has zero wins this year.

As to your distraction point about JMM vs. Khan results at this time I would rate Khan much higher than JMM at 140 reason being JMM has never fought at 140. If want to further extrapolate this into more distraction feel free.

Let's take the names out

Fighter A - is 0-1 this year
Fighter B - is 2-0 (with 1 NC) this year who ranks higher and why, without using names answer this............

Furthermore, if we are going to do a future reliability check, who has more to offer going forward? A young unbeaten fighter who is willing to fight anyone, or a fighter who is split between the options of retirement or one more fight?

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let me guess this right

Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??

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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

2008

Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano

Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry

2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao

Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson

So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

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hand on heart then killer...

If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....


JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??

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I don't think you should be allowed to even type 'logic' until someone slaps you. Hatton IS NOT 26 YEARS OLD. That's all anybody in this thread is attesting to, he isn't CURRENTLY the top ranked guy out there(and most likely not the best) at 140. Noone is saying he wouldn't have beaten Bradley in his day, but that was several years ago. You are evidently in denial of this.

Current Light Welterweight title holders

African Boxing Union title - Albert Mensah
Argentine (FAB) title - Cesar Rene Cuenca
Australia - New South Wales state title - Adam Wills
Australia - Queensland state title - Brett William Smith
Australia - South Australia state title - Robert Sanders
Australian title - Solomon Egberime
BBB of C British title - Lenny Daws
BBB of C English title - Lenny Daws
BBB of C Midlands area title - Ben Lawler
BBB of C Southerm area title - Peter McDonagh
Belarussian title - Andrei Abramenko
Brazilian title - Noel Borges dos Santos
Canadian title - Manolis Plaitis
Columbia title - Dunis Linan
Commonwealth (British Empire) title - Ajose Olusegan
Dominican Republic title - Vladimir Baez
EBU (European) title - Paul McCloskey
EBU-EE (European External European Union) title - Vladimir Kravets
EBU-EU (European Union) title - Giuseppe Lauri
East and Central African PBF title - Hamza Senpewo
Fijian title - Junior Farzan Ali
French title - Christopher Sebire
GBC youth title - Philipp Schuster
IBF title - Juan Urango
IBF Australasian title - Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai
IBF East/West Europe title - Azod Azizov
IBF Intercontinental title - Kaizer Mabuza
IBF International title - Alfredo di Feto
IBF Latino title - Heralides Barrantes
IBF Mediterranean title - Vittorio Oi
IBF Pan Pacific title - Leonardo Zappavigna
IBF Youth title - Jean Nicolas Weigel
IBO title - Manny Pacquiao
IBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
IBO Intercontinental title - Dennis Shafikov
IBO International title - Azad Azizov
Indonesian ATI title - Ramadhan Weriu
Indonesian KTI title - Jonathan Simamora
Italian title - Vittorio Oi
Japanese title - Yosukezan Onodera
Korean title - Young-Bin Kim
Mexican Pacific Coast title - Hugo Valdez
Mexican title - Juan Carlos Rodriguez
NABA title - Ionut Dan Ion
NABF title - Ali Chebah
New Zealand NBF title - Guillermo Mosquera
Nigerian title - Sunday Ajayi
PABA title - Manfa Luksaikongdin
Panamanian title - William Gonzalez
Peruvian title - Alan Paredes
Philippines PBF title - Cris Alag
Philippines GAB title - Eusebio Baluarte
Pugilistic Syndicate of Tanzania title - Maliki Kinyogoli
Russian title - Fariz Kazimov
South African title - Kaizer Mabuza
South American title - Carlos Martin Ahumada
Spanish title - Daniel Rasilla
USBA title - Tim Coleman
USBA Atlantic Coast Region title - Tyric Robinson
Ugandan title - Solomon Bogere
WBA FedeBol title - Nelson Lara
WBA FedeCaribe title - Victor Manuel Cayo
WBA FedeCentro title - William Gonzalez
WBA FedeLatin title - Alberto Mosquera
WBA Intercontinental title - Brunet Zamora
WBA Pan African title - Kaizer Mabuza
WBA World title - Amir Khan
WBC title - Devon Alexander
WBC Baltic title - Fariz Kazimov
WBC Cabofe title - Miguel Antoine
WBC Continental Americas title - Ionut Dan Ion
WBC FeCarBox title - Alejandro Valladares
WBC FeComBox title - Javier Castro
WBC International title - Prawet Singwancha
WBC Latino title - Claudio Alfredo Olmedo
WBC Mundo Hispano title - Euclides Espitia
WBC USNBC title - Mauricio Herrera
WBC Youth Intercontinental title - Danny Garcia
WBC Youth World title - Ali Chebah
WBO title - Timothy Bradley
WBO Africa title - Samuel Malinga
WBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
WBO Intercontinental title - Ruslan Provodnikov
WBO Latino title - Lucas Martin Matthysse
WBO NABO title - Paul Malignaggi
WBO Oriental title - Lance Gostelow
World Boxing Foundation title - Lance Gostelow
World Boxing Foundation United States title - Dean White
WBU title - Lee McAllister



Ok well that's about it, has Hattonthehammer answered yet?

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This division in the past two years has shaped into a surprisingly strong weight class. I'm very happy to see things progressing for the Jr. Welters as I've always been a fan of what the division has to offer as far as speed, power, movement and stamina coupled together.

It's really looking solid.

Tim Bradley
Ricky Hatton
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz
Juan Urango
Paulie Malignaggi
Victor Ortiz
Lamont Peterson
Kendall Holt
Amir Khan
Marcos Maidana

There's alot of good fights to be made right now in this division.

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and theres still also Ricardo Torres and Demetrius Hopkins who are both solid guys at 140

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Torres can't make 140 anymore mate.

Also...How did undefeated WBC Champion Devon Alexander escape both of your lists?

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And Devon Alexander IMO could be the best Jr Welterweight, at the moment.

I think it's stacked but is without any real superstar. Like there are a lot of fighters who have a reputation that is bigger than their ability. I look at it and find it hard to see where the next Tszyu, Cotto or Mayweather is coming from.

It's solid don't get me wrong, but Maidana, Holt, Ortiz, Hopkins and Urango are all fighters who have become 'names' without ever really doing anything. I'm not even obver keen on Juan Diaz or Paulie to be honest.

Khan, Peterson and Alexander still have time on their side, and Bradley looked very good over the last year. I think it's an exciting division because most fighters are of relatively similar ability, but i still don't think 140 has found it's feet after been so good around 4 years ago.

Maybe we were spoilt by having Corrales, Mayweather, Gatti, Tszyu, Hatton and Cotto

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love the way you yanks sarcastically put the guy who`s been in with ednar cherry above the very man who has twice fought for the title of best p4p title in the world.

Its not lost on me....

Hatton beats every single one of those guys....if neccesary 2 at a time!!

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Hey moron... They weren't ranked they were listed. You probably didn't realize that swinging from Hattons balls.

Hatton would be near the top of the LIST had I ranked them. But yes... Hatton is BELOW Bradley... Sorry. Go back to sucking Hattons nipple. Baby needs milk.



PS. ...and I'm not sure how Devon Alexander escaped my list. Thanks, guys. He is, indeed, a very good fighter.

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hahaha like 5 posts from 5 people with the same response.

ANYWAY................

Yes I think 140 has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 18 months.

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haha funny stuff killer.

Great minds think alike ? :)

Looks like a good division for Amir with Alexander and Bradley holding belts and his buddy Manny the best at the weight, wonder how Warren is going to try and avoid these fighters.

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Looks like a good division for Amir with Alexander and Bradley holding belts and his buddy Manny the best at the weight, wonder how Warren is going to try and avoid these fighters.

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That's a good question... I'm sure they'll feed him Junior Witter soon and then hope some other star falls from grace...