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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post


    lets get this right...

    ricky hatton has beaten...

    Kostya Tszyu
    Jose Luis Castillo

    ricky hatton has fought...

    floyd mayweather jnr
    manny pacquiao


    Timothy Bradley has beaten........


    ....................
    ...................


    timothy bradley has fought......

    .........................
    ........................
    I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

    Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

    The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

    So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

    Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post

    I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

    Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

    The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

    So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

    Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
    I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.

    However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.

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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post


    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
    I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.

    However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.

    I agree his win over Malignaggi was much more meaningful than the Castillo win. He was able to put Paulie outside of his comfort zone and keep him there. Witter for all his flaws had a belt, Bradley went into his backyard and took it from him.
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post

    I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.

    Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.

    The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.

    So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.

    Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.

    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

    hand on heart then killer...

    If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....


    JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


    by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post


    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

    hand on heart then killer...

    If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....



    JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


    by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??

    We are not dealing in IF's we are looking at facts, Hatton has zero wins this year.

    As to your distraction point about JMM vs. Khan results at this time I would rate Khan much higher than JMM at 140 reason being JMM has never fought at 140. If want to further extrapolate this into more distraction feel free.

    Let's take the names out

    Fighter A - is 0-1 this year
    Fighter B - is 2-0 (with 1 NC) this year who ranks higher and why, without using names answer this............
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Furthermore, if we are going to do a future reliability check, who has more to offer going forward? A young unbeaten fighter who is willing to fight anyone, or a fighter who is split between the options of retirement or one more fight?
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Current Light Welterweight title holders

    African Boxing Union title - Albert Mensah
    Argentine (FAB) title - Cesar Rene Cuenca
    Australia - New South Wales state title - Adam Wills
    Australia - Queensland state title - Brett William Smith
    Australia - South Australia state title - Robert Sanders
    Australian title - Solomon Egberime
    BBB of C British title - Lenny Daws
    BBB of C English title - Lenny Daws
    BBB of C Midlands area title - Ben Lawler
    BBB of C Southerm area title - Peter McDonagh
    Belarussian title - Andrei Abramenko
    Brazilian title - Noel Borges dos Santos
    Canadian title - Manolis Plaitis
    Columbia title - Dunis Linan
    Commonwealth (British Empire) title - Ajose Olusegan
    Dominican Republic title - Vladimir Baez
    EBU (European) title - Paul McCloskey
    EBU-EE (European External European Union) title - Vladimir Kravets
    EBU-EU (European Union) title - Giuseppe Lauri
    East and Central African PBF title - Hamza Senpewo
    Fijian title - Junior Farzan Ali
    French title - Christopher Sebire
    GBC youth title - Philipp Schuster
    IBF title - Juan Urango
    IBF Australasian title - Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai
    IBF East/West Europe title - Azod Azizov
    IBF Intercontinental title - Kaizer Mabuza
    IBF International title - Alfredo di Feto
    IBF Latino title - Heralides Barrantes
    IBF Mediterranean title - Vittorio Oi
    IBF Pan Pacific title - Leonardo Zappavigna
    IBF Youth title - Jean Nicolas Weigel
    IBO title - Manny Pacquiao
    IBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
    IBO Intercontinental title - Dennis Shafikov
    IBO International title - Azad Azizov
    Indonesian ATI title - Ramadhan Weriu
    Indonesian KTI title - Jonathan Simamora
    Italian title - Vittorio Oi
    Japanese title - Yosukezan Onodera
    Korean title - Young-Bin Kim
    Mexican Pacific Coast title - Hugo Valdez
    Mexican title - Juan Carlos Rodriguez
    NABA title - Ionut Dan Ion
    NABF title - Ali Chebah
    New Zealand NBF title - Guillermo Mosquera
    Nigerian title - Sunday Ajayi
    PABA title - Manfa Luksaikongdin
    Panamanian title - William Gonzalez
    Peruvian title - Alan Paredes
    Philippines PBF title - Cris Alag
    Philippines GAB title - Eusebio Baluarte
    Pugilistic Syndicate of Tanzania title - Maliki Kinyogoli
    Russian title - Fariz Kazimov
    South African title - Kaizer Mabuza
    South American title - Carlos Martin Ahumada
    Spanish title - Daniel Rasilla
    USBA title - Tim Coleman
    USBA Atlantic Coast Region title - Tyric Robinson
    Ugandan title - Solomon Bogere
    WBA FedeBol title - Nelson Lara
    WBA FedeCaribe title - Victor Manuel Cayo
    WBA FedeCentro title - William Gonzalez
    WBA FedeLatin title - Alberto Mosquera
    WBA Intercontinental title - Brunet Zamora
    WBA Pan African title - Kaizer Mabuza
    WBA World title - Amir Khan
    WBC title - Devon Alexander
    WBC Baltic title - Fariz Kazimov
    WBC Cabofe title - Miguel Antoine
    WBC Continental Americas title - Ionut Dan Ion
    WBC FeCarBox title - Alejandro Valladares
    WBC FeComBox title - Javier Castro
    WBC International title - Prawet Singwancha
    WBC Latino title - Claudio Alfredo Olmedo
    WBC Mundo Hispano title - Euclides Espitia
    WBC USNBC title - Mauricio Herrera
    WBC Youth Intercontinental title - Danny Garcia
    WBC Youth World title - Ali Chebah
    WBO title - Timothy Bradley
    WBO Africa title - Samuel Malinga
    WBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
    WBO Intercontinental title - Ruslan Provodnikov
    WBO Latino title - Lucas Martin Matthysse
    WBO NABO title - Paul Malignaggi
    WBO Oriental title - Lance Gostelow
    World Boxing Foundation title - Lance Gostelow
    World Boxing Foundation United States title - Dean White
    WBU title - Lee McAllister



    Ok well that's about it, has Hattonthehammer answered yet?
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    Default Re: Active Jr. Welters

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post


    let me guess this right

    Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
    Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
    kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat


    Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
    Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................

    Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.

    The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.

    Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?

    2008

    Hatton
    W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
    W UD - over Lazcano

    Bradley
    W SD - Witter
    W UD Cherry

    2009
    Hatton
    L KO - Pacquiao

    Bradley
    W UD - Holt
    NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
    W UD - Peterson

    So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.

    hand on heart then killer...

    If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....


    JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0


    by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??
    I don't think you should be allowed to even type 'logic' until someone slaps you. Hatton IS NOT 26 YEARS OLD. That's all anybody in this thread is attesting to, he isn't CURRENTLY the top ranked guy out there(and most likely not the best) at 140. Noone is saying he wouldn't have beaten Bradley in his day, but that was several years ago. You are evidently in denial of this.

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