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Torres can't make 140 anymore mate.Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
and theres still also Ricardo Torres and Demetrius Hopkins who are both solid guys at 140
Also...How did undefeated WBC Champion Devon Alexander escape both of your lists?
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Mate you are seriosuly deluded at times:I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.
Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.
The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.
So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.
Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
First off did you miss the Castillo v Ngoudjo fight? Castillos first fight at 140 and he looked awful he lost that fight on my scorecard then two fights after the Hatton fight he lost to fucking Sebastian Lujan ffs and since then hasnt beat anyone close to world class id actully say his level of opponent are just a notch up form fighting the likes of Kid Thunder, Castillo win was against a shot version of the great fighter.
Now Hatton went to America so basically your saying Hatton didnt duck Witter he went to America? Well Hatton v Witter has been on the cards since 2000, and for some reason Hatton thought it would be better to fight the likes of Steven Smith and Ray Olivera.
Hatton should of fought Witter rite after he beat Jason Rowland or anytime after that up until he fought Eamon Mcgee but he didnt I wonder why?? Warren did not fancy the job one bit and I can see why, so the America excuse is a load of rubbish mate.
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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.
Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.
The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.
So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.
Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
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p4p lists are built on opinion, it's not an actual sanctioning body or title dipshit lol hence the reasoning no one can fight for a "p4p title", it's as ludicrous as the WBC's "Diamond Belt"no wonder Hammer is such a Hatton fan....
he's just as fucking dumb lol there is no such thing as the goddam "p4p title"
If i were you id get on the phone to ring magazine, the WBC,WBA,WBO and pretty much everybody who is associated with boxing at this present time
funny how after Floyd stomped that ass Ricky was all of a sudden too small for welter, and even funnier how when Pacquiao put him into a coma after 2 rounds Ricky's "past caught up to him"I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.
Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.
The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.
So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.
Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
Castillo already showed signs of decline when he barely beat Ngoudjo
Herman Ngoudjo is a decent fighter NOW, when Castillo got past him he wasn't anywhere close to what he is now, and lacked experience big time, since then he lost to Hatton and Lujan, are you seriously trying to imply that Sebastian Lujan is a world beater cause he has a win over Castillo?
Hatton beat a game Tszyu....in a fight where the ref let him do whatever the fuck he pleased and not even get a warning
Hatton could have easily made way more money fighting Witter in England than fighting the likes of Malignaggi in Vegas
and anyone who doesn't think that Holt and Peterson are more well rounded and talented fighters than Castillo (at the point he fought Hatton) and Urango (who was beaten even worse by Berto) is pretty much blind
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Don't be stupid.I can't believe your regarding Hattons win over Castillo as a big one.
Everyone knows that Castillo was shot against Hatton.
The best wins on Hattons resumes are Tszyu (past his prime), Collazo, Malignaggi and i suppose Urango is a decent win also.
So out of 47 fights, Hatton only has four names worth mentioning on his resume.
Bradley has had 26 fights and holds wins over Junior Witter ( somone Hatton ducked), Kendall Holt and Lamont Peterson. Thats a solid resume considering he is only 26.
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
Castillo had been in many wars, It was long before Hatton that he was regarded past it, He struggled to beat average Ngoudjo just before the Hatton fight.
Tszyu was a good win for Hatton. Hatton's best performance in his career.
Tszyu was no longer in his prime but was still a very good fighter.
A Hatton - Witter fight would of been huge in the U.K. They had major hate towards each other and were both champs in their weight class.
When it came down to an actual fight though, Hatton would make excuses like "why would i want to give Witter a payday" when thats just bullshit. They had there differences, it's a shame Hatton didn't want to settle them in a ring.
I don't like Witter but just admit it, Hatton didn't want none.
Holt and Peterson are good fighters. When you consider Bradley has only had 26 fights, his resume is solid. Who had Hatton fought worth mentioning after 26 fights ? Jon Thaxton ?
Hatton did fight Pacquiao and Mayweather but the thing is he lost so why does two knockout losses count for something on Hattons resume ?
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hahaha like 5 posts from 5 people with the same response.
ANYWAY................
Yes I think 140 has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 18 months.
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I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.
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I'm a big Hatton fan, but I can't agree with Hammer. Hatton hasn't got it anymore. His Castillo win is not as good as his Malignaggi win in my opinion. Bradley would beat Hatton now, he looks a polished fighter.Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
However, I have to take issue with the praise for Junior Witter. Witter hasn't done shit in his career, his biggest fucking win is Vivian Harris. Bradley has much more impressive wins on his resume.
I agree his win over Malignaggi was much more meaningful than the Castillo win. He was able to put Paulie outside of his comfort zone and keep him there. Witter for all his flaws had a belt, Bradley went into his backyard and took it from him.
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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................
let me guess this right
Castillo fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Tszyu fought hatton the night he suddenly became past his prime
Hatton ducked witter...was offered millions to fight in the US, offered hundreds of thousands to fight witter in the UK
kendall holt and lamont peterson are far better fighters than what hattons ever been in with.........and beat
Jesus christ, shall we just stick ricky in with zelenoff and have done with it while were at it??
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
hand on heart then killer...
If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....
JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0
by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??
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Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
hand on heart then killer...
If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....
JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0
by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??
We are not dealing in IF's we are looking at facts, Hatton has zero wins this year.
As to your distraction point about JMM vs. Khan results at this time I would rate Khan much higher than JMM at 140 reason being JMM has never fought at 140. If want to further extrapolate this into more distraction feel free.
Let's take the names out
Fighter A - is 0-1 this year
Fighter B - is 2-0 (with 1 NC) this year who ranks higher and why, without using names answer this............
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Furthermore, if we are going to do a future reliability check, who has more to offer going forward? A young unbeaten fighter who is willing to fight anyone, or a fighter who is split between the options of retirement or one more fight?
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I don't think you should be allowed to even type 'logic' until someone slaps you. Hatton IS NOT 26 YEARS OLD. That's all anybody in this thread is attesting to, he isn't CURRENTLY the top ranked guy out there(and most likely not the best) at 140. Noone is saying he wouldn't have beaten Bradley in his day, but that was several years ago. You are evidently in denial of this.Wow, well since we're talking about you addiction to Hatton instead of the thread topic...................
Castillo was known to be in serious decline prior to the Hatton fight when he got a gift against Ngoudjo.
The Tszyu fight will always be a source of controversy, I give Hatton credit for making Tszyu quit, but come on that was four and a half years ago.
Let's compare them for the last 2 years shall we?
2008
Hatton
W corner retirement - over Malignaggi
W UD - over Lazcano
Bradley
W SD - Witter
W UD Cherry
2009
Hatton
L KO - Pacquiao
Bradley
W UD - Holt
NC - Campbell (ahead on the cards at time of stoppage)
W UD - Peterson
So in 2008 Hatton DID have a better resume than Bradley, but when you add in 2009 Bradley has had more success than a mile. As for the other things you talked about it's ancient history man, no way a fight from more than 24 months ago effects today's rankings.
hand on heart then killer...
If we stuck a 26 year old ricky hatton in with kendall, nate and peterson what would rickys year read so far....
JMMs year currently read 1-1...khans reads 3-0
by your logic khan beats marquez.....right??
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Current Light Welterweight title holders
African Boxing Union title - Albert Mensah
Argentine (FAB) title - Cesar Rene Cuenca
Australia - New South Wales state title - Adam Wills
Australia - Queensland state title - Brett William Smith
Australia - South Australia state title - Robert Sanders
Australian title - Solomon Egberime
BBB of C British title - Lenny Daws
BBB of C English title - Lenny Daws
BBB of C Midlands area title - Ben Lawler
BBB of C Southerm area title - Peter McDonagh
Belarussian title - Andrei Abramenko
Brazilian title - Noel Borges dos Santos
Canadian title - Manolis Plaitis
Columbia title - Dunis Linan
Commonwealth (British Empire) title - Ajose Olusegan
Dominican Republic title - Vladimir Baez
EBU (European) title - Paul McCloskey
EBU-EE (European External European Union) title - Vladimir Kravets
EBU-EU (European Union) title - Giuseppe Lauri
East and Central African PBF title - Hamza Senpewo
Fijian title - Junior Farzan Ali
French title - Christopher Sebire
GBC youth title - Philipp Schuster
IBF title - Juan Urango
IBF Australasian title - Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai
IBF East/West Europe title - Azod Azizov
IBF Intercontinental title - Kaizer Mabuza
IBF International title - Alfredo di Feto
IBF Latino title - Heralides Barrantes
IBF Mediterranean title - Vittorio Oi
IBF Pan Pacific title - Leonardo Zappavigna
IBF Youth title - Jean Nicolas Weigel
IBO title - Manny Pacquiao
IBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
IBO Intercontinental title - Dennis Shafikov
IBO International title - Azad Azizov
Indonesian ATI title - Ramadhan Weriu
Indonesian KTI title - Jonathan Simamora
Italian title - Vittorio Oi
Japanese title - Yosukezan Onodera
Korean title - Young-Bin Kim
Mexican Pacific Coast title - Hugo Valdez
Mexican title - Juan Carlos Rodriguez
NABA title - Ionut Dan Ion
NABF title - Ali Chebah
New Zealand NBF title - Guillermo Mosquera
Nigerian title - Sunday Ajayi
PABA title - Manfa Luksaikongdin
Panamanian title - William Gonzalez
Peruvian title - Alan Paredes
Philippines PBF title - Cris Alag
Philippines GAB title - Eusebio Baluarte
Pugilistic Syndicate of Tanzania title - Maliki Kinyogoli
Russian title - Fariz Kazimov
South African title - Kaizer Mabuza
South American title - Carlos Martin Ahumada
Spanish title - Daniel Rasilla
USBA title - Tim Coleman
USBA Atlantic Coast Region title - Tyric Robinson
Ugandan title - Solomon Bogere
WBA FedeBol title - Nelson Lara
WBA FedeCaribe title - Victor Manuel Cayo
WBA FedeCentro title - William Gonzalez
WBA FedeLatin title - Alberto Mosquera
WBA Intercontinental title - Brunet Zamora
WBA Pan African title - Kaizer Mabuza
WBA World title - Amir Khan
WBC title - Devon Alexander
WBC Baltic title - Fariz Kazimov
WBC Cabofe title - Miguel Antoine
WBC Continental Americas title - Ionut Dan Ion
WBC FeCarBox title - Alejandro Valladares
WBC FeComBox title - Javier Castro
WBC International title - Prawet Singwancha
WBC Latino title - Claudio Alfredo Olmedo
WBC Mundo Hispano title - Euclides Espitia
WBC USNBC title - Mauricio Herrera
WBC Youth Intercontinental title - Danny Garcia
WBC Youth World title - Ali Chebah
WBO title - Timothy Bradley
WBO Africa title - Samuel Malinga
WBO Asia Pacific title - Steven Wills
WBO Intercontinental title - Ruslan Provodnikov
WBO Latino title - Lucas Martin Matthysse
WBO NABO title - Paul Malignaggi
WBO Oriental title - Lance Gostelow
World Boxing Foundation title - Lance Gostelow
World Boxing Foundation United States title - Dean White
WBU title - Lee McAllister
Ok well that's about it, has Hattonthehammer answered yet?
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And Devon Alexander IMO could be the best Jr Welterweight, at the moment.Torres can't make 140 anymore mate.and theres still also Ricardo Torres and Demetrius Hopkins who are both solid guys at 140
Also...How did undefeated WBC Champion Devon Alexander escape both of your lists?
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I think it's stacked but is without any real superstar. Like there are a lot of fighters who have a reputation that is bigger than their ability. I look at it and find it hard to see where the next Tszyu, Cotto or Mayweather is coming from.
It's solid don't get me wrong, but Maidana, Holt, Ortiz, Hopkins and Urango are all fighters who have become 'names' without ever really doing anything. I'm not even obver keen on Juan Diaz or Paulie to be honest.
Khan, Peterson and Alexander still have time on their side, and Bradley looked very good over the last year. I think it's an exciting division because most fighters are of relatively similar ability, but i still don't think 140 has found it's feet after been so good around 4 years ago.
Maybe we were spoilt by having Corrales, Mayweather, Gatti, Tszyu, Hatton and Cotto
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