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Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?
Based on what he's done so far, where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?
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I think people's memory of his fight with Poveitken will skew the result of this fight by the same token that most people don't remember Ali's fight with Floyd Patterson will skew his. Mind you I'm not saying one is better than the other, its just that timing is poignant here.
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I don’t know. The dude takes a lot of hate and at times I'm one of the guys dishing it out. He's boring with all his pawing and grabbing but on paper he has not lost in many years. W/o checking probably closing in on Holmes.
Part of the problem thus far is as much the opponents as it is Wlads. We or rather I at times tend to blame only Wlad. He's not going to stick his chin out and take a bunch of chances to satisfy a pizza delivery generation ergo his future earning. Neither is Floyd.
The division is scrutinized by many and most likely more then any other. Its been looked at as the alpha division since it landed on the shores of Britain. Speaking for myself I've always been a bigger fan of 126, 135,147 and 160.
If not for his brother he would have been the first unified/undisputed champ since Tyson. That is all 4.
If you are smaller then he is, there are only certain ways to get to him. He's figured that out largely because of Manny (rip). Lets remember that springs on the bottom of shoes were outlawed by the Queensberry rules. Anyone near his stature has the skill of a tree trunk. I do think that Wilder is a guy that could get over the top in the first few rounds. Just the game over the top with skill/speed is something Wlad has never seen before and its not cause I think Wilder is better then him.
Wlad has no obligation to open up the fire wall. Its the challenger that needs to hack it. Come in low head down and underneath to the chest is going to get you grabbed.
See but here is where I have a problem ranking him. His competition has been a bunch of gold diggers. Not only short but short on talent. Its an era along the lines of Marciano. Marciano fought a group of men with big names years past their prime and Wlad has fought a group of men who could give a flying U-KNOW about legacy. Now that's not Wlads fault. He's not in control of other peoples lives but this division is pretty lame and has been since Lennox left. To be perfectly honest I rank Vitali over Wlad. Not near the paper trail but would probably still knock his brother out.
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I think 7 times out of 10 vitali would KO Wlad and I do like him, I think he is more fluid even with his apparent robotic style. he's far more adaptive and I challenge anyone to point me towards a successful heavyweight champ who ducks punches a la Roy Jones Jr.
However I also believe Emanuel Augustus Burton had the talent to be a multi-weight division champion if not for poor management. Potential and actuality regrettably don't mix.
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2 votes so far put him in the top 10 ever? haha. is that a joke.
im somebody who never used to give wlad credit but i give him a lot more credit now than i used to. he is nowhere near top 10 ever though. my main argument is that he started dominating once the competition died out. no more lewis, tua, ruiz (yes, i just said ruiz), holyfield (even an older holyfield), or even a prime rahman. there are a few other alright HWs at that time but im not going to take time to check out who i missed.
my point being that he lost to lesser opposition earlier in his career. and some of these fights were when he was a vetran like against sanders and brewster. he had quite a few years experience under his belt at the time of those losses. then the loss he should have had that people forget about is davaryll williamson who knocked him down with a jab and then the fight was stopped due to a headbutt i think. anyways, williamson should have gotten the decision but they gave it to wlad.
i admit that he did get better since that time due to manny working with him, but since then, he hasnt actually fought one fighter i would consider "good." the best fighter he faced was haye and he isnt a HW and ran most of the fight. i actually probably rank him higher on this list because of his accomplishments rather than where i think he actually deserves to be.
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2 votes so far put him in the top 10 ever? haha. is that a joke.
im somebody who never used to give wlad credit but i give him a lot more credit now than i used to. he is nowhere near top 10 ever though. my main argument is that he started dominating once the competition died out. no more lewis, tua, ruiz (yes, i just said ruiz), holyfield (even an older holyfield), or even a prime rahman. there are a few other alright HWs at that time but im not going to take time to check out who i missed.
my point being that he lost to lesser opposition earlier in his career. and some of these fights were when he was a vetran like against sanders and brewster. he had quite a few years experience under his belt at the time of those losses. then the loss he should have had that people forget about is davaryll williamson who knocked him down with a jab and then the fight was stopped due to a headbutt i think. anyways, williamson should have gotten the decision but they gave it to wlad.
i admit that he did get better since that time due to manny working with him, but since then, he hasnt actually fought one fighter i would consider "good." the best fighter he faced was haye and he isnt a HW and ran most of the fight. i actually probably rank him higher on this list because of his accomplishments rather than where i think he actually deserves to be.
Very well said and pretty much how I feel. Although I think I give Wlad a lil more credit than you do, but not by much.
He's a different fighter than he was in the Sanders and Brewster fights. Much more confident and effective.
The Davarryl Williamson fight was a shit show and sham with stopping the fight before Wlad most likely was KO'd.
Again he's progressed a lot since then, but these things did happen.
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Top 10 All Time (not in order):
Marciano
Louis
Ali
Holmes
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Frazier
Holyfield
11-20
Schmeling
Baer
Tunney
Liston
Walcott
Norton
Tyson
Charles
Bowe
Jeffries
21-30
Shavers
K1
K2
no higher than 22 and 23
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16-25. Tyson stops him in 2 and Ali bamboozles him in 7.
Vitali Klitschko is the better fighter of the two.
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I disagree with a lot of what is usually said about the Klitschkos.
1. I firmly believe, peak for peak, Wlad was the superior brother. He never had Vitali's chin but I think his boxing skills surpassed those of his brother.
2. I think Wlad and Vitali often suffer from the perception that cleaning out the division was a two man job as opposed to one individual, and to a certain extent that is true.
3. I don't buy the fact that this HW division is as weak as people think.
4. With the skills and size that Wlad has, he's a brutal night for ANY HW fighter in the history of the sport.
I rank him top 10 for sure.
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16-25. Tyson stops him in 2 and Ali bamboozles him in 7.
Vitali Klitschko is the better fighter of the two.
Tyson is quite short and it may take him a few rounds to catch Wlad, but once he did...
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If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.
As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.
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If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.
As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.
Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?
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He hasnt ever even been the undisputed best in his own era so very, very low.
Go back through all the greats over the years, there was never another fighter around that could also letitimately call himself a world champion.
There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.
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There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.
Such as?
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There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.
Such as?
Sanders:vd::rolleyes:
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There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.
Such as?
Sanders:vd::rolleyes:
Oh and not like Chris Byrd?
Your turn jackass
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How does that prove me wrong dunce?
All youve done is point out how crap they both are;D
He is not a top all time great he isnt even the best now for fuck sakes!
Where ever you put Wlad, Vitali would have to be one higher. Vitali losing Lewis is better than anything Wlad has done.
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If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.
As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.
Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?
He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World. He has beaten everything put in front of him comfortably for coming up for a decade, but the era is so weak and THE meaningful fight so untouchable, it hurts his resume.
As for Vitali over Wlad, well as a big Brother myself, I would not for one second, not belief I would be the dominant brother in 'physical altercations', no matter that I have not had a 'brawl' with my brothers in 15/20 years! Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.
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How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all ;)
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Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.
Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer. As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.
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How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all ;)
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Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.
Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer. As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.
He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.
Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.
If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.
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How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all ;)
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Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.
Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer.
As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.
No.
If Vitali and Wlad fought Vitali would win.
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He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.
Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.
If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.
He cleared out the dregs left to him from the Larry Holmes era
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
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He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.
Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.
If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.
He cleared out the dregs left to him from the Larry Holmes era
Dregs?
3 of them were undefeated;D
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
Wlad was very disappointing against Povetkin but his consistency against the crap that is out there has to be admired. Joe Louis and Holmes had it but it is very difficult to stay motivated and be consistent. This is why I have Wlad that high.
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
Wlad was very disappointing against Povetkin but his consistency against the crap that is out there has to be admired. Joe Louis and Holmes had it but
it is very difficult to stay motivated and be consistent. This is why I have Wlad that high.
I agree with that but its not as impressive as doing that as THE only heavyweight champ.
Lets imagine Vitali didnt exist.
Would Wlad go for unification? How long would he last as unified champ?
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I agree with that but its not as impressive as doing that as THE only heavyweight champ.
Lets imagine Vitali didnt exist.
Would Wlad go for unification? How long would he last as unified champ?
:rolleyes:
OK, let's imagine Vitali doesn't exist and Wlad fights everyone he's fought AND everyone Vitali has fought since his comeback.
Do YOU see anyone beating Wlad? I sure as shit don't. Cris Arreola would have been dangerous for a round or 4 but second half of the fight, no way. Briggs is always dangerous for A big punch, but Wlad doesn't give opportunities to land the 1 big punch. Adamek would have been easy, Wlad could beat Sam Peter a third time no problem, Kevin Johnson offered nothing I think Wlad would have had an easier time with him, and Stiverne? Meh...another guy looking for 1 shot.
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All ifs and buts.
He needs to either fight and beat Vitali or Vitali to retire right now so Wlad has a chance to win his title and defend all of them. While Vitali is around Wlad isnt the best because they refuse to fight each other. I belive Vitali wins but regardless, that unkown is holding back any real regard or legacy because in the future it will always be questioned because of his brother.
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
Lyles logic is all ifs and buts ? however yours isn't ?
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
Lyles logic is all ifs and buts ? however yours isn't ?
He was on about what could have been, what could have happened.
Im asking about something that may well happen in the near future.
If the Haye fight actually goes ahead, Fury wins and becomes the biggest name and money opponent for Wlad. Wlad will be pressured and hug and hold and lose.
Would this instantly wipe out any notion that Wlad is such a great fighter?
Even if you dont agree with anything iv just said. If Fury beats Wlad where does that leave Wlad in all time rankings?
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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.
Any threat and he fights scared.
Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.
If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?;D
Lyles logic is all ifs and buts ? however yours isn't ?
He was on about what could have been, what could have happened.
Im asking about something that may well happen in the near future.
If the Haye fight actually goes ahead, Fury wins and becomes the biggest name and money opponent for Wlad. Wlad will be pressured and hug and hold and lose.
Would this instantly wipe out any notion that Wlad is such a great fighter?
Even if you dont agree with anything iv just said. If Fury beats Wlad where does that leave Wlad in all time rankings?
Well we will have to wait and see who wins the Haye fight , then see if the match is made , then evaluate things from there .
I think fury gets KOED by the first puncher he meets.
but we will have to wait .
If a 37 year old Wlad loses tomorrow it doesn't overshadow his reign as champ , he has been a good champ if not the most exciting.
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Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?
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Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?
What has Wlad acomplished?
Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.
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Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?
What has Wlad acomplished?
Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.
Wlad and Vitali have said they will never fight , so how can he be undisputed champ while they are both active ?
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Asides the fact that styles make fights? Well you cannot undo accomplishments with defeats. Is Roy Jones any less HOFer and a great SMW because he lost to Allen Green?
What has Wlad acomplished?
Hes not ever been the undisputed champ and he's not even a better fighter than Corrie Sanders and his brother would have beaten him up.
Wlad and Vitali have said they will never fight , so how can he be undisputed champ while they are both active ?
Vitali gives up his belt or retires, fucking simple!
They wont. If one loses the other still has a grip for their promotions.
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I would argue that total domination of all his opponents in title defenses is a good accomplishment. You could argue, perhaps successfully too, that his division is weak and because of that he's doing a good job of defending his title.
But if you look at Benny Leonard heck or even Willie Pep better yet what business did Two Ton Tony have being in the ring with Joe Luis?
All I can ask of a champion of a division is to win the fight. I can't ask them to conjure up an almost even match opponent.
Let me propose a question if I may, If the Klitschko brothers fought tooth and nail for their title defenses would people still suggest that the heavyweight division is lacking? We call Manny and Mayweather great (they are mind you) but we recall their hard fights against the likes of Castillo, DLH, Marquez, Morales, Emanual Augustus Burton (personal favourite journeyman :P)
How do we know the boxers they fight are bums and tomato cans if the only gauge we have is their total domination of those boxers?
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Top 10 All Time (not in order):
Marciano
Louis
Holmes
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Frazier
Jeffries
Holyfield
11-20
Schmeling
Baer
Tunney
Liston
Walcott
Norton
Tyson
Charles
Bowe
Shavers
21-30
K1
K2
no higher than 21 and 22
Not sure if I missed it but where is Ali!?
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I think 7 times out of 10 vitali would KO Wlad and I do like him, I think he is more fluid even with his apparent robotic style. he's far more adaptive and I challenge anyone to point me towards a successful heavyweight champ who ducks punches a la Roy Jones Jr.
However I also believe Emanuel Augustus Burton had the talent to be a multi-weight division champion if not for poor management. Potential and actuality regrettably don't mix.
No doubt it was his management that would have him out late night. That told him there was no need to take training seriously. It's just training. And I'm sure it was management that gave him all them drugs and most likely rolled up the joint for him to smoke
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I would argue that total domination of all his opponents in title defenses is a good accomplishment. You could argue, perhaps successfully too, that his division is weak and because of that he's doing a good job of defending his title.
But if you look at Benny Leonard heck or even Willie Pep better yet what business did Two Ton Tony have being in the ring with Joe Luis?
All I can ask of a champion of a division is to win the fight. I can't ask them to conjure up an almost even match opponent.
Let me propose a question if I may, If the Klitschko brothers fought tooth and nail for their title defenses would people still suggest that the heavyweight division is lacking? We call Manny and Mayweather great (they are mind you) but we recall their hard fights against the likes of Castillo, DLH, Marquez, Morales, Emanual Augustus Burton (personal favourite journeyman :P)
How do we know the boxers they fight are bums and tomato cans if the only gauge we have is their total domination of those boxers?
Your missing my point.
Wlad isnt the best in the division, Vitali is. Dont believe me, prove me wrong. Oh you cant.
Yes, Wlad has managed to stay undefeated for a few years but hes still not the undisputed best and im not JUST on about having Vitalis belt as well but the uncertainty of who would win if they fought. His dominance can always be disputed because while his brother is active and winning and they dont fight there is always that dispute over who is better.
Vitali has that fight with a known quantity Lennox Lewis and he gave him his hardest fight. Could Wlad have done that? I doubt it.
