Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

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Master then Tyson can't be great because he never came back at all he never avenged a lose. I mean he just mental would give up not to many great fighters do that. I mean his last fight he just sat on the ground looking at the ref to count to ten. I mean Holyfeild was inconsistent at times but he had great come backs and way better wins if he fought in a weak era might of been different. Point being he showed hart never gave up and captured the title as much as Ali did was the only one to do it. Not to mention he started out at lhw and was already a unified cw before coming a unified hw he is great.

I do not think losing to Moorer, being nearly knocked out by Cooper makes him a heavyweight great. He was strong but dumb.

I also thought we can all agreed that he was on drugs to do what he did.

I don't agree that struggling against a lesser fighter doesn't make you great, look at Joe Louis he was floored and in trouble against Tony Galento, i don't see anyone question Joe Louis not being great.

I know Holyfield isn't on that level, but i think his exciting fights, courage, moving up from Cruiserweight to become Heavyweight champion, does make him great.