Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
you called me a hater several times before I tried to deflect your approach to this discussion from this focus, I fully admit don't like wlad klits reign (hate is a very strong word), is your whole argument based on you thinking I hate wlad klit?

why is what I said about alis grapple and wlads clinch factually inaccurate?

round 1 v sam peter 2 (a fight a big fan of klits highlighted as a boxing lesson) wlad klit held more than he threw meaningful punches (obviously a matter of opinion), over the course of a fight he probably punches more than he holds but the ratio is by far the closest out of every other significant fighter in history by miles and miles

I didn't say ali clinched a lot, nor did I say the only difference was that there was leaning involved, so possibly someone saying that might or might not have said something that is factually inaccurate I don't know
I've posted many points to my argument. Me calling you a hater is actually a good thing, because what I'm saying is essentially your bias against Wlad is skewing your opinion. The other alternative is that you're stupid and you don't know much about boxing. I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former.

It's factually inaccurate because you told me that Wlad leans more. I told you that's not the case and backed it up with the opinions of guys who actually fought Ali and complained about it (Chuvalo and Frazier).

You've avoided questions I've asked. I'd be interested in knowing how Wlad managed to win the majority of the rounds vs Haye by averaging essentially 1 clinch per round?