Lucian Bute

[Kev]

What's your take on Bute now, Amat?

The guy is as accurate as any with his punches.

I can't speak for Amat, but generally I think it's easier to knock guys out when they are standing in front of you with their hands on their hips.

Miranda is done, his arua has been destroyed and he's an easy nights work for most of the top guys, especially those with boxing skills, which Bute undeniably has.

I must admit I think Carl Froch would have a harder time with Miranda, as he needs to go to war with fighters, and that gives Edison the kind of fight he wants.

But Bute is a very solid fighter no denying that.

I just don't like him because a) he's Canadian, b) Ice and CFH rate him and think he beats Froch, and c) The Ring rates him higher than Andre Ward and Carl Froch even though both have beaten better opposition.

Bilbo you say you don't like Nonito Donaire, because he only has one good win. And you think his ranking is a joke which i agree on, then why do you think Andre Ward should be number 1 then ?

His only good win is against Mikkel Kessler, who hasn't been fighting good fighters since 2007. Not to mention all the headbutts and ETC, outside of Mikkel Kessler who is there ? Edison Miranda who he went 12 rounds who Lucian Bute destroyed in 3 ?

Yes Mikkel Kessler is better than any fighter on Lucian Bute's resume, but thats only one win. Lucian Bute overall has the better record aswell as being a world champion since 2007.

As for Carl Froch well in my opinion he lost to Andre Dirrell, so not going by the record books and just my opinion, i don't think he's higher than Lucian Bute. But opposition wise he is i agree, but theres more to it than that.

You got too look at skill, title reigns, ETC. And skill wise Carl Froch is probably not even in the top 10 regarding Super Middleweights.

You also have to look at it this way, how would Carl Froch fare against the other top Super Middleweights ? because many people think he's the 2nd worst fighter in this tournament.

But i do agree he has beaten better opposition.

Kessler was the Ring champ and as close as the division had to a lineal champ, he was considered the man, and Ward beat the man. He's also beaten Miranda too for what it's worth so all Bute has done that Ward hasn't imo is gone 1-1 with Andrade.

You could argue that Froch lost to Dirrell, but you can make just a legitimate argument that Bute was knocked out by Librado Andrade.

And Dirrell's resume with a win over Artur Abraham, tops by some margin Andrades.

You may not like the fact that Froch got the W against Dirrell, but the fact is wins over Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell are all bigger than any opponent Bute has faced let alone beat.

The only names on Bute's resume are second tier fighters like Bika, Andrade (with whom you could argue he is 1-1) and Berrio.

If he's rated at number 1, it's on potential not acomplishments.

Clearly Froch has beaten the better guys, and Ward beat the man in the division. It shouldn't be an argument imo, Bute should be number 3.