
Originally Posted by
Bilbo

Originally Posted by
erics44
Martinez isnt top 5 lb4lb fighter in the world
he is a very good fighter but hasnt done enough to be top 5
geeky i know but i have just boxrecced his last 5 fights
Williams W KO 2
Pavlik W UD
Williams L MD
Cintron D
Bunema W RTD 8
there are many boxers with better records in their last 5 fights
Disagree. His first fight with Williams could have gone either way, many thought Williams won. And Williams, despite having a rather crude looking style is a very very effective fighter who was absolutely p4p worthy when he fought Martinez. He has beaten some good guys and Martinez argubaly went 2 up against him. Pavlik is a fine win and led himt o being the ring champ at 160 and a two weight world champ. Kintron is an acomplished fighter and I can only assume you didnt see the fight if you are counting that as a draw. Martinez KOd him in the middle rounds but he was allowed to continue, and he clearly outpointed him only to somehow get robbed in a frankly baffling decision.
He is a beast for anyone around those weight classes.
and a lot seem to agree with you
you could put a different spin on it tho
he lost to williams first time, yes williams is a good fighter but he still lost
pavlik was a good win but what state was pavlik in at the time? and wasnt it the same pavlik who had been taken apart by hopkins? ok at a higher weight but still a hopkins who himself had not long since fought at middleweight
and the cintron fight may have been a bad descision but cintron wasnt exactly in great form and he still won enough rounds to make the descison acceptable
he is a cracking fighter, but I dont think he has done enough to warrant top 5
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