Mayweather - Cotto 2, December 1st, MGM Grand

[Violent Demise]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

[Onix]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

Tito was referring to me on that one, I said Canelo might be the bigger cash draw. I still stand by that. I wont try explaining why because Tito wants to ignore that point and make it about ethnicity

[greynotsoold]

I think that Mayweather is taking this fight because he has Cotto figured out. Before going to jail he said he would fight again in November or december. His conditioning will be an issue, but my guess is that he thinks he has Cotto figured out enough, after the last fight, that he can handle him impressively while not at his physical peak.

[Ant Live]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

[IamInuit]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

I hear what you are saying but the entire planet knows who actually won the fight and in addition there really is no money in it and lets be honest...Arum wont allow this.

If Floyd is truly concerned for legacy at this point then he will make a play for Martinez at the 155 catch that Sergio offered and get the man at middle.

[GAME]

Apart from a nice paycheque for both guys I dont see the point in a rematch. It was a comfortable win for Floyd and it was a good fight but not great.
We would just see more of the same. Theres no unanswered questions.

Im sure they would play on the Floyd spell in prison where he lost weight so it mus mena that it would be more equal next time but Im not buying that theory. Floyds too quick and skilled for Cotto. Miguel had his moments and I actaully think he did better when he was trying to outbox Floyd. In round 6 he was making the older man walk forward onto his shots and that was his best round but he fell into the trap of frsutration and tried to corner flotyd which is the mistake everyone makes.

I think Mayweather has slowed down but not enough to lose to Cotto.
117-111

[hardcore_crash]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

I hear what you are saying but the entire planet knows who actually won the fight and in addition there really is no money in it and lets be honest...Arum wont allow this.

If Floyd is truly concerned for legacy at this point then he will make a play for Martinez at the 155 catch that Sergio offered and get the man at middle.

I would love to this Floyd fight Martinez, but not at a cathweight.
I would much rather have Floyd attempt that fight at 160 and go for being the first undefeated fighter winning world titles in six divisions, as Roger has stated Floyd would like to do before he retires.
If not that, then Martinez is thinking about going back down to 154 lbs after the Chavez fight.
Martinez vs Mayweather is the best fight in boxing at this time IMO.

[IamInuit]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

I hear what you are saying but the entire planet knows who actually won the fight and in addition there really is no money in it and lets be honest...Arum wont allow this.

If Floyd is truly concerned for legacy at this point then he will make a play for Martinez at the 155 catch that Sergio offered and get the man at middle.

Could not agree more especially with the no catch weight part. I only mentioned it cause it was offered
I would love to this Floyd fight Martinez, but not at a cathweight.
I would much rather have Floyd attempt that fight at 160 and go for being the first undefeated fighter winning world titles in six divisions, as Roger has stated Floyd would like to do before he retires.
If not that, then Martinez is thinking about going back down to 154 lbs after the Chavez fight.
Martinez vs Mayweather is the best fight in boxing at this time IMO.

Could not agree more especially with the no catch weight part. I only mentioned it cause it was offered.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The only logic of this fight is that Floyd will need to worry himself with fitness and doesn't want to have to worry about tactics.

It's always interesting that when a fighter gets well on their way to being old they suddenly find an affinity for rematches.

[Ant Live]

That would be great if Floyd can win a title at middleweight. But let's be honest, won't happen. Especially after JJr destroy Martinez in Sept. Maybe Floyd fight Strum. The lesser of the division like RJJ did when he fought Ruiz at heavyweight. No matter who, you can't take that accomplishment away from him.

[fan johnny]

Mayweather will get good numbers with a rematch but not as good as the first encounter. #1 it's not on May 1st. #2 it's not expected to be a good match up. Personally I'd rather see a rematch with Ortiz than seeing one against Cotto. Only I wouldn't expect Ortiz to get any smarter.

[TitoFan]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the argument, moron. The fact that you have shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that you're incapable of being objective, removes any credibility from your stupid arguments. Or would you like me to explain it to you in Spanish? Oh that's right. You only know one language.... "thug-ese".

And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it.

Counter what you say?? Like the nugget of wisdom that Mexicans "want it more", or that Cotto is only in it for the money? Nuggets like that, moron?? Your nonsense doesn't MERIT an answer. Got it? It doesn't merit a fucking answer. Start posting shit that makes sense, and you'll get meaningful responses from me. Don't worry..... I won't hold my breath.

Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

Onix said it... and you agreed with him. Also added the cute little line that I think Cotto is the bigger star 'cause I'm Puerto Rican like him. How perfectly witty of you. Do you write your own material?

Well..... let it be known that I tried to civil with your street ass.
I should've known better.

[hardcore_crash]

Would anyone mind if Canelo fought Mayorga next? Or is it ok for Cotto to do that a little over 14 months ago?

Last I remember, Canelo was in line to fight James Kirkland, Paul Williams, Victor Ortiz.
It's not his fault those fights didn't go through, IMO, Canelo IS looking for the toughest fights. He's called out Cotto, Mayweather and just about ANYONE not named Martinez (that I know of, though I believe he would fight him).

As for Cotto/Mayweather II, JMM is my favorite fighter and he's from Mexico. On top of that, he filled in nice at his second fight at 144 beating Pacquiao IMO ; I wouldn't mind seeing JMM/Mayweather II based on those reasons. Lol