Mayweather - Cotto 2, December 1st, MGM Grand

[Violent Demise]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

Chavez tested clean. You gonna tell me otherwise? Margarito made over 10 million in his last 2 fights. He still speaks well without hint of a slur. Perfect time for him to retire. Continue reading below

It will be like the first fight with a similar outcome, it's just a money making rematch. I think Cotto should go after Canelo or Trout, somebody of that calibre and rebuild his name and maybe rematch Floyd down the line. I don't see the point in an
Immediate rematch, it was pretty clear Floyd won so why does he needs to prove it again in his next fight? Weird...

Warrior Cotto is dead. It's Money Miguel now. Cotto no longer cares rather he wins or loses. It's only about the money for him now. The old warrior Cotto would of never coward out of a fight against Saul Alvarez like Money Miguel did. Sad.

yea cause beating up Cotto's leftovers should have earned Alvarez a shot against him? lol VD you're always so full of shit bro, let Canelo fight someone who ISN'T SHOT beyond shit, Canelo "I love leftovers" Alvarez has yet to face a top 5 guy, cause sorry Cintron and Mosley don't count , let him fight Lara, Trout, Molina, or even Martirosyan, all of them are a step up to the crap he's been fighting

Ha! Cotto is coming off a clear cut loss and doesn't even hold a title. Yet now muthafukkas need to "earn" a shot to face him? Get the fuck on with that bullshit. That's some of the dumbest shit I ever read.
Fighters now must "earn" there shot to face a fighter coming off a loss. Fucking hilarious

he lost to the man who is considered P4P #1 in the world, he didn't go ahead and fight a washed up fighter who hadn't won in over 2 yrs, Canelo needs Cotto not vice versa, that's why the ginger is the one who has to EARN the shot, either way the only Cotto that the ginger will hold a W against is Jose Miguel, and even in that fight he was almost sparked

Yet again you show your ignorance and how little you really know about the sport. Alvarez is about to headline his first PPV as the A player. With or without Money Miguel. He already has his established fan base and is considered a cash cow. He don't need Cotto. He wants Cotto. But Cotto don't want him. Cuz he knows the beating that awaits him. You can spit all the little gay excuses you want. But bottom line is this. Alvarez-Cotto would be big and make a lot of money. And it's clearly more interesting than Mayweather-Cotto 2

beating? lol Canelo looked flat against a small shot Shane Mosley, you go on burning other fighters for just beating up nobodies and shot over the hill fighters yet as always you're here just throwing roses at Canelo lol fucking hypocrite, as I said, the only Cotto that Alvarez would ever hold a W against is Jose, Miguel Cotto stomps the ginger easier than he beat the cheating fuck lol

You wanna see a hypocrite? Look in the fucking mirror. That fag staring back at you is the hypocrite. I told you before your not a boxing fan. Your a Cotto fan. You pretend otherwise but it's pitiful how transparent you really are. Your quick to bad mouth Alvarez when he fought Kermit Cintron and Shane Mosley. Saying there shot and he should be fighting better fighters. Yet when Alvarez expresses a desire to face the best fighters around his weight (Mayweather and Cotto) you come up with moronic shit that he has to "earn" his shot. Stupid shit just for the sake of hating

hahahaha really bro? you of all people are gonna try and call ANYONE a fucking fanboy?! lol there are plenty of other fighters around at 154 that Alvarez could have fought instead of Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, and Mosley lol when that's your last 5 opponents well it tells the true story when there are guys like Kirkland, Trout, Molina, Lara, even Martirosyan, Angulo, and Quintana are a step up to his last five opponents, I'm not blaming Alvarez for his next fight cause he did go after at least two good fights and it's not his fault that both went flat (Williams had the accident and Kirkland was injured) but the fact that he was waiting for a smaller guy to get a win and be his next opponent says all you need to know, why the fuck fight Ortiz instead of any of the aforementioned opponents? it's as simple as this apart from fanbase (and he hasn't even headlined a fight card even on a minor PPV) what separates Canelo from anyone at 154 other than Cotto and Mayweather, that's right not a damn thing

That's damn good opposition for a 21 year old. At 21 Cotto was fighting killers like Rudolfo Lunsford, Arturo Rodriguez, Joshua Smith, Sammy Sparkman and Juan Angel Macias. And Cotto had Olympic experience. Yet you continue to bad mouth Alvarez and swallow Cotto whole. Like I told you. Fucking hypocrite.

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

Chavez tested clean. You gonna tell me otherwise? Margarito made over 10 million in his last 2 fights. He still speaks well without hint of a slur. Perfect time for him to retire. Continue reading below

It will be like the first fight with a similar outcome, it's just a money making rematch. I think Cotto should go after Canelo or Trout, somebody of that calibre and rebuild his name and maybe rematch Floyd down the line. I don't see the point in an
Immediate rematch, it was pretty clear Floyd won so why does he needs to prove it again in his next fight? Weird...

Warrior Cotto is dead. It's Money Miguel now. Cotto no longer cares rather he wins or loses. It's only about the money for him now. The old warrior Cotto would of never coward out of a fight against Saul Alvarez like Money Miguel did. Sad.

yea cause beating up Cotto's leftovers should have earned Alvarez a shot against him? lol VD you're always so full of shit bro, let Canelo fight someone who ISN'T SHOT beyond shit, Canelo "I love leftovers" Alvarez has yet to face a top 5 guy, cause sorry Cintron and Mosley don't count , let him fight Lara, Trout, Molina, or even Martirosyan, all of them are a step up to the crap he's been fighting

Ha! Cotto is coming off a clear cut loss and doesn't even hold a title. Yet now muthafukkas need to "earn" a shot to face him? Get the fuck on with that bullshit. That's some of the dumbest shit I ever read.
Fighters now must "earn" there shot to face a fighter coming off a loss. Fucking hilarious

he lost to the man who is considered P4P #1 in the world, he didn't go ahead and fight a washed up fighter who hadn't won in over 2 yrs, Canelo needs Cotto not vice versa, that's why the ginger is the one who has to EARN the shot, either way the only Cotto that the ginger will hold a W against is Jose Miguel, and even in that fight he was almost sparked

Yet again you show your ignorance and how little you really know about the sport. Alvarez is about to headline his first PPV as the A player. With or without Money Miguel. He already has his established fan base and is considered a cash cow. He don't need Cotto. He wants Cotto. But Cotto don't want him. Cuz he knows the beating that awaits him. You can spit all the little gay excuses you want. But bottom line is this. Alvarez-Cotto would be big and make a lot of money. And it's clearly more interesting than Mayweather-Cotto 2

beating? lol Canelo looked flat against a small shot Shane Mosley, you go on burning other fighters for just beating up nobodies and shot over the hill fighters yet as always you're here just throwing roses at Canelo lol fucking hypocrite, as I said, the only Cotto that Alvarez would ever hold a W against is Jose, Miguel Cotto stomps the ginger easier than he beat the cheating fuck lol

You wanna see a hypocrite? Look in the fucking mirror. That fag staring back at you is the hypocrite. I told you before your not a boxing fan. Your a Cotto fan. You pretend otherwise but it's pitiful how transparent you really are. Your quick to bad mouth Alvarez when he fought Kermit Cintron and Shane Mosley. Saying there shot and he should be fighting better fighters. Yet when Alvarez expresses a desire to face the best fighters around his weight (Mayweather and Cotto) you come up with moronic shit that he has to "earn" his shot. Stupid shit just for the sake of hating

hahahaha really bro? you of all people are gonna try and call ANYONE a fucking fanboy?! lol there are plenty of other fighters around at 154 that Alvarez could have fought instead of Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, and Mosley lol when that's your last 5 opponents well it tells the true story when there are guys like Kirkland, Trout, Molina, Lara, even Martirosyan, Angulo, and Quintana are a step up to his last five opponents, I'm not blaming Alvarez for his next fight cause he did go after at least two good fights and it's not his fault that both went flat (Williams had the accident and Kirkland was injured) but the fact that he was waiting for a smaller guy to get a win and be his next opponent says all you need to know, why the fuck fight Ortiz instead of any of the aforementioned opponents? it's as simple as this apart from fanbase (and he hasn't even headlined a fight card even on a minor PPV) what separates Canelo from anyone at 154 other than Cotto and Mayweather, that's right not a damn thing

That's damn good opposition for a 21 year old. At 21 Cotto was fighting killers like Rudolfo Lunsford, Arturo Rodriguez, Joshua Smith, Sammy Sparkman and Juan Angel Macias. And Cotto had Olympic experience. Yet you continue to bad mouth Alvarez and swallow Cotto whole. Like I told you. Fucking hypocrite.

hahaha yet you choose to ignore the fact that Cotto was in a car accident around that same time and was sidelined due to surgery on his right arm, the ginger started his pro career at what 15? has over 40 pro fights so in terms of experience there's no excuse to why he hasn't stepped it up, you bashed Vazquez's choice of opponents who has even less experience and who has fought at a higher level and then have the nerve to call me a hypocrite lol, dude fuck yourself, you're just pissed cause the ginger is left out in the cold in big money fights and that the only fights out there are against REAL opposition without the big bucks, so he see's no reason in calling anyone else out

[CFH]

Why?

The first fight was close, but Mayweather was the clear winner and I don't see what Cotto could possibly do to beat him.

I actually think PBF gets the KO this time, he could have had it in the first fight.

[p4pking]

Agreed CFH(yours was the first post on this page I could stand to read), but I haven't seen any real indication this is even in the works yet. I doubt Mayweather makes any real moves until he is out of jail at least, so I'll hope this doesn't come off for now.

Thing is, assuming Golden Boy don't want to put Canelo in with Mayweather just yet, I feel only Martinez has a better chance win out of the available guys and that would only be at 154 or higher. Mayweather for me is clearly less effective above welterweight and size would be Sergios only advantage imo. Still that is the best fight to be made now imo, and yes I'm including Pacquiao

[Spicoli]

I like the rematch. Why not. Sure, it was not debatable in the end but Mayweather got roughed up and hit more than I can remember. Cotto had-is written off as shot and not elite anymore and Mayweather is still considered THE p4p shit. They must have met in the middle that night or I'm missing the plot. I thought Mayweather would shred his face late and get tko before the 1st bell. Does 3 months in jail do Floyd any favors? No, I'm not smoking again...I think Floyd wins but where else do these two go short term? Canelo needs to have the dust settle from musical opponents for next fight and just make a convincing dent in someone. Even then I'm not convinced he's 'ready' for either. Khan. Please. Not off of life and death with Peterson. Even though he was fighting a human juice box he needs to reestablish. Bradley...oh hell no. Manny needs to decide when he's going to come off of the mount and back to his fire blazing roots. History sells and it wasn't a white wash. Shit, I really liked that fight. Best scenario for Floyd to put a punctuation on Cotto with more convincing show and pretty sure these two will make good numbers and provide some action.

[Violent Demise]

hahaha yet you choose to ignore the fact that Cotto was in a car accident around that same time and was sidelined due to surgery on his right arm, the ginger started his pro career at what 15? has over 40 pro fights so in terms of experience there's no excuse to why he hasn't stepped it up, you bashed Vazquez's choice of opponents who has even less experience and who has fought at a higher level and then have the nerve to call me a hypocrite lol, dude fuck yourself, you're just pissed cause the ginger is left out in the cold in big money fights and that the only fights out there are against REAL opposition without the big bucks, so he see's no reason in calling anyone else out

Alvarez got 1.2 million for fighting Mosley. And he wasn't even the main event. Yeah he's really having a hard time making the big bucks.

And what the fuck does Cotto's car accident have to do with anything? If he's stepping in the ring to fight than he's by all rights 100%. The desperation to even bring it up is hilarious.

[ElTerribleMorales]

hahaha yet you choose to ignore the fact that Cotto was in a car accident around that same time and was sidelined due to surgery on his right arm, the ginger started his pro career at what 15? has over 40 pro fights so in terms of experience there's no excuse to why he hasn't stepped it up, you bashed Vazquez's choice of opponents who has even less experience and who has fought at a higher level and then have the nerve to call me a hypocrite lol, dude fuck yourself, you're just pissed cause the ginger is left out in the cold in big money fights and that the only fights out there are against REAL opposition without the big bucks, so he see's no reason in calling anyone else out

Alvarez got 1.2 million for fighting Mosley. And he wasn't even the main event. Yeah he's really having a hard time making the big bucks.

And what the fuck does Cotto's car accident have to do with anything? If he's stepping in the ring to fight than he's by all rights 100%. The desperation to even bring it up is hilarious.

the fact that you're this desperate to try and make the ginger look like an elite fighter when he has yet to step it up is what's laughable, funny you have nothing to say on the other statement, Venereal Disease try to spin it any way you want but the fact is Cotto could retire come the end of the year and 5 years later he's in the Hall of fame, Canelo could retire tomorrow and 5 years later he'll just be doing sunblock ads, it's not that complicated, you can bitch, moan, and throw all the tantrums you want, call anyone who doesn't agree with you a fag, douche, dick, bitch, and fill in the blank, and it doesn't change the fact that Canelo has yet to take on an opponent his size who's not shot to shit, plain and simple, that alone puts Cotto and Mayweather on a completely different level than the ginger

[beenKOed]

Why? That's a fight I will not pay to see. Does anybody really expect a different result. I like Cotto, always have, but Mayweather was a couple of punches away from a KO at the end.

[Violent Demise]

hahaha yet you choose to ignore the fact that Cotto was in a car accident around that same time and was sidelined due to surgery on his right arm, the ginger started his pro career at what 15? has over 40 pro fights so in terms of experience there's no excuse to why he hasn't stepped it up, you bashed Vazquez's choice of opponents who has even less experience and who has fought at a higher level and then have the nerve to call me a hypocrite lol, dude fuck yourself, you're just pissed cause the ginger is left out in the cold in big money fights and that the only fights out there are against REAL opposition without the big bucks, so he see's no reason in calling anyone else out

Alvarez got 1.2 million for fighting Mosley. And he wasn't even the main event. Yeah he's really having a hard time making the big bucks.

And what the fuck does Cotto's car accident have to do with anything? If he's stepping in the ring to fight than he's by all rights 100%. The desperation to even bring it up is hilarious.

the fact that you're this desperate to try and make the ginger look like an elite fighter when he has yet to step it up is what's laughable, funny you have nothing to say on the other statement, Venereal Disease try to spin it any way you want but the fact is Cotto could retire come the end of the year and 5 years later he's in the Hall of fame, Canelo could retire tomorrow and 5 years later he'll just be doing sunblock ads, it's not that complicated, you can bitch, moan, and throw all the tantrums you want, call anyone who doesn't agree with you a fag, douche, dick, bitch, and fill in the blank, and it doesn't change the fact that Canelo has yet to take on an opponent his size who's not shot to shit, plain and simple, that alone puts Cotto and Mayweather on a completely different level than the ginger

Your stupidity knows no limits. Your actually comparing the 2 careers? Anything to try and get one right, huh? I'll give you the pity point. No Alvarez would not be in the HOF if he retired tomorrow. He's 21 years old. No fighter has ever retired that young and is in the HOF. Fucking genius. Thank you for stating the obvious. If Cotto would of retired at 21 would he of been HOF bound? Forget I asked that. I wouldn't put it pass your groupie ass to say yes.

[ElTerribleMorales]

exactly you stupid fucking chud, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW YOU DIPSHIT, Cotto right now is a HOF bound fighter where as Canelo is nothing more than a poster boy with little on his resume, you just fucking said it, so therfore CANELO is the one who needs the other, he's the one who has to do the earning the shot, but you're so fucking blind and well suck off any fighter that comes from the Red White and Green that you'll always find a way to bash a Puerto Rican fighter, funny HOW YOU HAVE YET TO ANSWER WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE VAZQUEZ JR/CANELO COMPARISON! fuck off dude lol you're one of the biggest groupie's on here, I called the Cotto/Mayweather fight just like it ended up being, a hard fought UD for Mayweather, you're just pissy cause he retired your cheating hero hahaha

[IamInuit]

Big money fight with the x re-matching the new. Plus it was probably the most exciting mix it up fight for Floyd since Castillo 1.

Have to admit that I was hoping for Martinez/Floyd. Thought maybe Floyd would somehow emulate Leonard and instead of coming out of a 3 year retirement and fighting the mid champ he comes out of jail and does it.

I was also hoping that Cotto would have gotten the opportunity to acclimatize the young over-hyped Alvarez. Oscar however is going to keep him close to the tit and wait until Cotto is overdue to retire and then cash in on the Mex/PR rivalry.

[TitoFan]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

[Violent Demise]

exactly you stupid fucking chud, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW YOU DIPSHIT, Cotto right now is a HOF bound fighter where as Canelo is nothing more than a poster boy with little on his resume, you just fucking said it, so therfore CANELO is the one who needs the other, he's the one who has to do the earning the shot, but you're so fucking blind and well suck off any fighter that comes from the Red White and Green that you'll always find a way to bash a Puerto Rican fighter, funny HOW YOU HAVE YET TO ANSWER WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE VAZQUEZ JR/CANELO COMPARISON! fuck off dude lol you're one of the biggest groupie's on here, I called the Cotto/Mayweather fight just like it ended up being, a hard fought UD for Mayweather, you're just pissy cause he retired your cheating hero hahaha

You called Mayweather-Cotto. Wow. So did everybody else with a fucking brain. What you want? A medal? Fucking loser.

Let me tell you something. I'm not trying to insult you. Nor am I trying to make you look bad. This is something I truly feel. You're a fucking idiot. You take truth as insult. And you take all comments to mean one thing. Because of your severe limitations you can't comprehend what's really being said. You call me an Alvarez fan boy but can't back it up. I've called Alvarez a cash cow and a Super Star who I feel would smash Money Miguel. The first 2 are without a doubt true and the third is very possible. How's that being a fan boy? A fan boy would make him out to be something he's not. Like when your stupid ass tried to pass Cotto off as an ATG. That right there is groupie lust at it's sickest. That's what fan boys like you do for the fighter they lust for

I remember the Vazquez debate. You were swallowing Vazquez non-stop trying to give him more credit than he deserved for fighting Arce. Ignoring the fact that Arce (at that time) was looked at as Shane Mosley was looked at going into the Alvarez fight. And that's the only reason he fought him. The fact that Vazquez and everybody else was wrong about Arce does not erase the fact that Vazquez would of never gotten in the ring with him if he was considered a threat of any kind.

[Violent Demise]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

[Onix]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

Tito was referring to me on that one, I said Canelo might be the bigger cash draw. I still stand by that. I wont try explaining why because Tito wants to ignore that point and make it about ethnicity