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Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

[ElTerribleMorales]

Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

how does flailing your arms around and hitting nothing but air make you the winner, that's all Ramirez did

Ramirez came forward and was still being hit with jabs on the back foot, then Whitaker would get into the inside and bang the body and counters

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Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

how does flailing your arms around and hitting nothing but air make you the winner, that's all Ramirez did

Ramirez came forward and was still being hit with jabs on the back foot, then Whitaker would get into the inside and bang the body and counters

i don't remember him getting hit with anything , especially if u refer 2 their 1st fight .
Seems like u refer 2 their 2nd 1 in which Whitaker barely did any better .
Ramirez was also past his prime by their 1st fight .
Whitaker is not all of Ramirez' record though . U forget Ramirez deserved 2 win against Arguello in their 1st fight but got robbed . Even Rosario in their 1st fight did not deserve d decision .
Ramirez fought : Chavez , Rosariio*2 , Camacho , Whitaker*2 , Arguello , Mancini , Olivares , Juan Martin Coggi .
Ramirez is d 3rd greatest Mexican fighter of all times , 5th @ worst .

[Master]

Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

how does flailing your arms around and hitting nothing but air make you the winner, that's all Ramirez did

Ramirez came forward and was still being hit with jabs on the back foot, then Whitaker would get into the inside and bang the body and counters

i don't remember him getting hit with anything , especially if u refer 2 their 1st fight .
Seems like u refer 2 their 2nd 1 in which Whitaker barely did any better .
Ramirez was also past his prime by their 1st fight .
Whitaker is not all of Ramirez' record though . U forget Ramirez deserved 2 win against Arguello in their 1st fight but got robbed . Even Rosario in their 1st fight did not deserve d decision .
Ramirez fought : Chavez , Rosariio*2 , Camacho , Whitaker*2 , Arguello , Mancini , Olivares , Juan Martin Coggi .
Ramirez is d 3rd greatest Mexican fighter of all times , 5th @ worst .

You must be related to Ramirez because you are blindly re-writing history to suit him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

how does flailing your arms around and hitting nothing but air make you the winner, that's all Ramirez did

Ramirez came forward and was still being hit with jabs on the back foot, then Whitaker would get into the inside and bang the body and counters

i don't remember him getting hit with anything , especially if u refer 2 their 1st fight .
Seems like u refer 2 their 2nd 1 in which Whitaker barely did any better .
Ramirez was also past his prime by their 1st fight .
Whitaker is not all of Ramirez' record though . U forget Ramirez deserved 2 win against Arguello in their 1st fight but got robbed . Even Rosario in their 1st fight did not deserve d decision .
Ramirez fought : Chavez , Rosariio*2 , Camacho , Whitaker*2 , Arguello , Mancini , Olivares , Juan Martin Coggi .
Ramirez is d 3rd greatest Mexican fighter of all times , 5th @ worst .

You must be related to Ramirez because you are blindly re-writing history to suit him.

yea cause I don't remember him at all that way lol, and no bud, I was referring to the first fight where Whitaker potshotted him the whole fight and was then ROBBED unlike you state Ramirez was against Arguello and Rosario

as for him being the 3rd or at worst 5th greatest Mexican fighter, you're way off your rocker with that one, Chavez, Sanchez, Zarate, Morales, Barrera, Olivares, Lopez, JMM, Pintor, RM, Vazquez, all rank higher than Ramirez and there are still a few I left out

IMO the top 3 to come out of Mexico just due to records are Chavez, Sanchez, and Lopez

Barrera, Morales, and JMM following behind them

[Master]

Morales got badly stopped twice . Lopez put formidable fighters in survival mode and look again @ who he fought : Quartey , Page , Davis . Morales' best opponents except from McCullough were destroyed b4 he fought them : Pacquiao , Barera & Junior Jones .
Whereas Jones & Barera in their 3rd fight at least , if not in d 2nd as well were clearly past their prime .
And i m not 1 of those who consider primes as being arbitrarily 2 years long .

Aaron Davis was also past his prime when Lopez beat him but retired unstopped as opposed 2 Barera , Jones & Pacquiao so it means something .

Morales was well passed it when he was stopped, and he's become the ONLY Mexican 4 division champ (even if you don't want to count his title at 140, he was blatantly robbed against Diaz at 135), it's all about resume and his resume is better than both Ramirez and Lopez, and for the record no way in hell did Ramirez beat Whitaker in their first fight in France, I have the original recording of the fight and Whitaker dominated, Ramirez won the fight cause he was the crowd favorite due to the fact that he was living in France at the time of the fight

I watched it twice and Whitaker did not dominate anything but d running contest . How is constantly avoiding contact , doing no damage and always giving ground can b called a domination is a mystery 2 me . Ramirez deserved 2 win .

how does flailing your arms around and hitting nothing but air make you the winner, that's all Ramirez did

Ramirez came forward and was still being hit with jabs on the back foot, then Whitaker would get into the inside and bang the body and counters

i don't remember him getting hit with anything , especially if u refer 2 their 1st fight .
Seems like u refer 2 their 2nd 1 in which Whitaker barely did any better .
Ramirez was also past his prime by their 1st fight .
Whitaker is not all of Ramirez' record though . U forget Ramirez deserved 2 win against Arguello in their 1st fight but got robbed . Even Rosario in their 1st fight did not deserve d decision .
Ramirez fought : Chavez , Rosariio*2 , Camacho , Whitaker*2 , Arguello , Mancini , Olivares , Juan Martin Coggi .
Ramirez is d 3rd greatest Mexican fighter of all times , 5th @ worst .

You must be related to Ramirez because you are blindly re-writing history to suit him.

yea cause I don't remember him at all that way lol, and no bud, I was referring to the first fight where Whitaker potshotted him the whole fight and was then ROBBED unlike you state Ramirez was against Arguello and Rosario

as for him being the 3rd or at worst 5th greatest Mexican fighter, you're way off your rocker with that one, Chavez, Sanchez, Zarate, Morales, Barrera, Olivares, Lopez, JMM, Pintor, RM, Vazquez, all rank higher than Ramirez and there are still a few I left out

IMO the top 3 to come out of Mexico just due to records are Chavez, Sanchez, and Lopez, Barrera, Morales, and JMM following behind them

That sounds more like it.

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You must be related to Ramirez because you are blindly re-writing history to suit him.

yea cause I don't remember him at all that way lol, and no bud, I was referring to the first fight where Whitaker potshotted him the whole fight and was then ROBBED unlike you state Ramirez was against Arguello and Rosario

as for him being the 3rd or at worst 5th greatest Mexican fighter, you're way off your rocker with that one, Chavez, Sanchez, Zarate, Morales, Barrera, Olivares, Lopez, JMM, Pintor, RM, Vazquez, all rank higher than Ramirez and there are still a few I left out

IMO the top 3 to come out of Mexico just due to records are Chavez, Sanchez, and Lopez

Barrera, Morales, and JMM following behind them

That sounds more like it.

So both of u claim that Jose Luis Lopez , a rookie compared 2 Ramirez in terms of resume , is d 3rd greatest Mexican of all times ? this is still bearable . But Barera , whom got KOd in his prime by Junior Jones and then 4a good measure lost 2 him again , that time by decision , deserves a higher ranking by Ramirez ? even Barera's 2 wins over Morales were close . Almost all of Barera's high profile wins were close decisions , even d Hamed fight n overrated per4mance . I had Barera winning it on points , but looking at that fight as a whole has it much closer than d scorecards have it , with Barera barely if at all doing more damage than Hamed did .

As 4 Ramirez vs Whitaker it seems like both of u r feeding of d writings on that fight that became a false myth , rather than on your memories / impressions from watching it , because any1 who watched that fight knows that Whitaker was only concentrated in escaping , retreating and avoiding contact at all cost and did no damage . "Schooling" is what ppl who hadn't watched d fight , but rather recycle d writings of some common great great ancestor once wrote about it and his lie caught strongly 2 this day . I know it's n agonizing fight 2 watch , but at least i watched it and if u argue this much about it at least watch it and not in FFW like i know that some of u do .
Ramirez deserved 2 win against both Whitaker and Arguello , and at least hadn't lost 2 Rosario in their 1st fight (no2 mention what happened in their rematch) .

Ramirez' record consists of 3 * 3 weights titlists , 1 * 2 weights titlist and I don't even bother checking how many 1 weight titlists . On a side note regarding it , if Pryor hadn't cheated in his 1st fight against Arguello (if not in their rematch as well) , then Arguello would have become a 4 weights titlist . Ramirez himself had 2 settle 4 3 reigns @ d same weight , but something tells me that under a somewhat different management , he would've had a title at at least another weight as well .
1 of d reasons 4 that something is d age and Xperience @ top level he had by d time he was matched vs Ruben Olivares (many of fights on paper , but vs cab drivers Xclusively and by d age of 20) .