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OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.

The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.

Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.
Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.

I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.

EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?
Absolutely not! It's actually the opposite of what Victor Conte says. Strength/Power training has the benefit that you are not training in high volume or to muscular failure. For this reason you can increase your training frequency without burning out your CNS (central nervous system) and it becoming a major recovery issue.

For example, the national all-natural powerlifting record holder in the U.S. trains the big lifts (Deadlifts and squats) three times a week! I doubt Marquez is burning out his CNS with a 1 rep squat of 225lbs (It's actually quite worrying that the general public find this feat quite unbelievable - I could get your average male couch potato 1 repping 225lbs within about 4-8 weeks. Heck my ex girlfriend from a standing start got to squatting 130lbs for 6 reps weighing 118lbs.)

If Marquez was training with high amounts of volume and intensity (going to muscular failure with every exercise) then yeah, I would say something fishy is happening. But 1 rep of 225lbs isn't going to compromise his recovery.

Either way it's hard to say without having an overall picture of his entire training. Boxing training in itself is pretty volumous and intense so PED's would always help any boxing camp immensely..But 1 rep of 225lbs squat certainly does not make Marquez guilty.