From how many fights should Ali have been DQ'ed for holding?

[Gandalf]

The Great Joe Louis was HW champion and fought for his country , so he was greater in and out of the ring. A real hero a man for all ages .

To be fair, Louis never did any real "fighting" and was never expected to. He did boxing exhibitions and talked to the troops to boost morale. There are tons of celebrities who went over to Iraq to do the same thing, and we don't say that they were over there fighting for their country.

With Muhammad Ali, he was going to be handed a rifle and dropped in a jungle to kill or be killed.

Yes i agree with you totally he was a coward for not answering the call up.

So you would go to war for a cause you do not believe in? That is not being a coward that is courageous. He gave up his title and millions of dollars for a cause he believed in. He was proved right.

Why is it that the people who say that they hate the stuff surrounding Ali always mention it the most? Ali beats Joe Louis too fast, quick and slick.

You think all the people before him who went to Nam wanted to ? i think not , but they did their duty without question , all those who didnt, got rightly sent to prison.
As for him beating Joe , i dont remember anyone in this thread saying anything other than some thought Joe was the greatest ever, due to his resume in his era.
For me Clay was a coward who hid behind a religion he had adopted.
He was happy to be American when he was taking the riches , but not when called apon to serve them , what a fucking hypocrite.

He was broke whilst in exile and lost his best years, he is no coward. He took the harder option because no way were the US going to put him on the front line and risk the embarrassment of him being killed. He could have joined and taken the easy option and come back with the title and millions but he turned that all down.

Dont give me what happen while in jail crap ,if you are a citizen and called up you go fight or whatever you are told to do.
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR = COWARD.

THE END.

Utter bollocks.

You get your head blown off for a fabricated cause and see who has the last laugh. You would likely be swallowing your own intestines in a nation that has nothing to do with you.

I might not like Ali for his religious nonsense, but his decision was moral and just. He didn't have to make that choice, but he did. And good on him. Cowards don't resist the calling of their empire building overlords, Ali did. It was also a completely racist empire builder and thus you can see where he was coming from. White men in ivory towers enslaving at home and enslaving abroad.

The man was very brave on that basis.

You know Miles your right, Clay was a real hero to all Americans.

Don't be so retarded. You lost your argument, move on and chew grass.