Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

[Onetime]

If I said the same think about the Klits and ATG heavyweights would you agree?

Say what you want about them, doesn't bother me, nor does it affect their legacies. In fact what Duran said about Floyd doesn't affect HIS legacy so why get all emotional and defensive like a little girl?

What Roberto Duran said is true...however nobody has said Floyd isn't a great fighter, nobody is taking away what he's done in the ring, but you get all upset just because an old timer doesn't kiss the ass of a current fighter and a few fans happen to agree.....that's fucking sad man

Actually I compared to similar situations and you got emotional, Wlad's latest opponents having been pretty bad.

There's a huge difference. There's a good amount of fighters Mayweather didn't fight and should of fought. I'm trying to find one fighter Wlad should of fought and didn't

Fair point but I'll never be convinced that this guy from Syria was the best Wlad could face.

Who deserves a shot and hasn't gotten it? Weak division or not Wlad runs it. And he runs it with a iron fist. Cuz I see nobody taking him any time soon. Wlad's actually doing something people want champions to do but very rarely do. He's beaten all the worthy contenders. Now he's beating all the unworthy contenders. That's how you clean out a division.

Do you consider him an ATG

Not yet. But he's on his way. Once he's done he will be ATG

I really don't know what to say about a heavyweight who reigns over a dead because he can't move up he can only face whose there but the Lewis fight tells me he's not great and it's the era. One thing about Floyd he is a small welter and people act like he needs to go to middleweight to be great day before weigh ins have really made what he has done even more impressive.

[Violent Demise]

If I said the same think about the Klits and ATG heavyweights would you agree?

Say what you want about them, doesn't bother me, nor does it affect their legacies. In fact what Duran said about Floyd doesn't affect HIS legacy so why get all emotional and defensive like a little girl?

What Roberto Duran said is true...however nobody has said Floyd isn't a great fighter, nobody is taking away what he's done in the ring, but you get all upset just because an old timer doesn't kiss the ass of a current fighter and a few fans happen to agree.....that's fucking sad man

Actually I compared to similar situations and you got emotional, Wlad's latest opponents having been pretty bad.

There's a huge difference. There's a good amount of fighters Mayweather didn't fight and should of fought. I'm trying to find one fighter Wlad should of fought and didn't

Fair point but I'll never be convinced that this guy from Syria was the best Wlad could face.

Who deserves a shot and hasn't gotten it? Weak division or not Wlad runs it. And he runs it with a iron fist. Cuz I see nobody taking him any time soon. Wlad's actually doing something people want champions to do but very rarely do. He's beaten all the worthy contenders. Now he's beating all the unworthy contenders. That's how you clean out a division.

Do you consider him an ATG

Not yet. But he's on his way. Once he's done he will be ATG

I really don't know what to say about a heavyweight who reigns over a dead because he can't move up he can only face whose there but the Lewis fight tells me he's not great and it's the era. One thing about Floyd he is a small welter and people act like he needs to go to middleweight to be great day before weigh ins have really made what he has done even more impressive.

He is. But he was a big Junior Lightweight. A natural Lightweight. And a strong Junior Welterweight. And a lot fights with good fighters didn't get made. Is it all his fault? No. But bottom line is the fights still didn't get made. I got no problem with Mayweather. I like watching him fight. But there's a good amount of his fights I could of done with out. Justin Juuko, Carlos Gerena, Victoriano Sosa, Henry Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell, Shane Mosley. And I'm sure there's more.

[imp]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

We will never know how duran would fair in this era and floyd in durans era.

Lets also not discredit other current fighters as duran is not everyones ATG.

Floyd has the advantage over duran and obviously duran is jealous to be making those comments.

Theres no escaping the fact duran was a great lightweight and he would be a problem in any era but i just feel he wouldnt beat floyd.

Just like a prime vlad wouldnt beat a prime larry holmes..it works both ways.

[Violent Demise]

I think Floyd is much better than an ordinary fighter in the 70's and 80's - he is very smart and adaptable in the ring. The title of the article is ridiculous. If he said that Floyd wouldn't have been undefeated, I can go with that.

Exactly and that will probably be the one thing other then the phantom fight that historians will hold against him. His inactivity levels. However I suppose one has to take into account that he made on average 20 million dollars a fight while guys like Montiel never got a 7 figure payday until he fought Donaire. People keep accusing him of ducking but it simply cant be shown. Would other fighters have fought as much as they did earning that kind of money? No way to show that w/o a time machine. Had he been in the era of the fab 4 or 5 he most likely would have fought all of them or most of them.
I don't think he'd fare all that well against Duran at 135 but when you see how Duran struggled against Benitez its certainly not far fetched that he would struggle with Floyd at 147 or 154.

He didn't make 7 figures for the Donaire fight

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

We will never know how duran would fair in this era and floyd in durans era.

Lets also not discredit other current fighters as duran is not everyones ATG.

Floyd has the advantage over duran and obviously duran is jealous to be making those comments.

Theres no escaping the fact duran was a great lightweight and he would be a problem in any era but i just feel he wouldnt beat floyd.

Just like a prime vlad wouldnt beat a prime larry holmes..it works both ways.

Wlad would be a bad styles match up for Holmes.

[El Kabong]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

[imp]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Lol.

It has been said many times already that floyd owns whatever type of duran.

Wlad wont be missed after retirement but floyd will

[El Kabong]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Lol.

It has been said many times already that floyd owns whatever type of duran.

Wlad wont be missed after retirement but floyd will

Its OK....just cry it out

[Onetime]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Again you are the one who loves a boxer with no great names on his resume, if Floyd had beat Martinez, Williams, prime Cotto and Manny he wouldn't get credit from you anyway.

[El Kabong]

You know the Floyd fans are on the ropes when they're trying to defend Floyd by trying to make the discussion about Wlad. And the stupidity of it is that NOBODY is trying to make the case that Floyd sucks or isn't great.....such delicate feelings you have

Again you are the one who loves a boxer with no great names on his resume, if Floyd had beat Martinez, Williams, prime Cotto and Manny he wouldn't get credit from you anyway.

I've given Floyd plenty of credit....is it horrible of me that I wish the best fighter of this era to challenge himself? Is that so terrible of me? I mean I wanted RJJ to challenge himself when he was on top of his game....nobody called me out on that.

Get a fucking grip

[imp]

I think Floyd is much better than an ordinary fighter in the 70's and 80's - he is very smart and adaptable in the ring. The title of the article is ridiculous. If he said that Floyd wouldn't have been undefeated, I can go with that.

Exactly and that will probably be the one thing other then the phantom fight that historians will hold against him. His inactivity levels. However I suppose one has to take into account that he made on average 20 million dollars a fight while guys like Montiel never got a 7 figure payday until he fought Donaire. People keep accusing him of ducking but it simply cant be shown. Would other fighters have fought as much as they did earning that kind of money? No way to show that w/o a time machine. Had he been in the era of the fab 4 or 5 he most likely would have fought all of them or most of them.
I don't think he'd fare all that well against Duran at 135 but when you see how Duran struggled against Benitez its certainly not far fetched that he would struggle with Floyd at 147 or 154.

He didn't make 7 figures for the Donaire fight

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

We will never know how duran would fair in this era and floyd in durans era.

Lets also not discredit other current fighters as duran is not everyones ATG.

Floyd has the advantage over duran and obviously duran is jealous to be making those comments.

Theres no escaping the fact duran was a great lightweight and he would be a problem in any era but i just feel he wouldnt beat floyd.

Just like a prime vlad wouldnt beat a prime larry holmes..it works both ways.

Wlad would be a bad styles match up for Holmes.

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

[El Kabong]

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

OK, so allow me to get this straight. With Duran you're saying and I quote

"Exactly.

Thats the point.

No one would ever know"

But with Wladimir you're saying with certainty, no doubts, 100% sure that he'd lose to Larry Holmes.


Do you kinda sorta see how that might, maybe, just possibly perhaps be a bit hypocritical?


The problem you have @imp is that the only person trying to completely discredit a fighter here is YOU. You're attempting to discredit Wladimir Klitschko and in bringing him up to begin with you've lost the argument because you've veered so far off topic. This is about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd Mayweather Jr why does Wlad factor into this? Why bring him up? Just because someone suggests Floyd would have struggled vs some of the greatest fighters ever, in one of the deepest divisions ever....you're THAT upset about a tiny bit of criticism?

OK guys, new rule, no more saying anything remotely negative about Floyd Mayweather Jr., his fans can't take it

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Okay so we've already established (I should but never ever read articles from these less-than-credible websites) that Duran was really referring to Mayweather's opposition or this Era as a whole, so beyond that, I guess I can only remark that the WW and LMW of the 80's were better than those of more recent times.

Which I think is fair.

The lightweights of the 70's against the lightweights of the late 90's/ early 00's, I'll be honest, I really ain't too sure??

[imp]

Holmes was so skilled with a great heart and fast hands.
Over 15 rounds it would be even worse for Wlad.
Wlad is massive and has all the size advantages but that would not save him.
Holmes never got the respect he deserved. Even after being floored by one of the hardest hitters in the game in earnie shavers and still coming back to win the fight.

Duran has a great chin, power and heart (when he doesnt quit) but the slick style of floyd would be too much for him and floyd would be left to battle it out with leonard and hearns for that top spot.

OK, so allow me to get this straight. With Duran you're saying and I quote

"Exactly.

Thats the point.

No one would ever know"

But with Wladimir you're saying with certainty, no doubts, 100% sure that he'd lose to Larry Holmes.


Do you kinda sorta see how that might, maybe, just possibly perhaps be a bit hypocritical?


The problem you have @imp is that the only person trying to completely discredit a fighter here is YOU. You're attempting to discredit Wladimir Klitschko and in bringing him up to begin with you've lost the argument because you've veered so far off topic. This is about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd Mayweather Jr why does Wlad factor into this? Why bring him up? Just because someone suggests Floyd would have struggled vs some of the greatest fighters ever, in one of the deepest divisions ever....you're THAT upset about a tiny bit of criticism?

OK guys, new rule, no more saying anything remotely negative about Floyd Mayweather Jr., his fans can't take it

Lool

Ek, please go back to the start of the thread and you will clearly see i never brought Wlad into this discussion!

Jeez, as soon as Wlad is even mentioned you start getting nasty.

I said many times in my post to keep on track and stick with duran/floyd.

Floyd is not perfect which is why i said many times i wouldnt know how he would fair against leonard or hearn.

BUT i am sure that duran would not pose as much as a problem in the squared circle to floyd as you mentioned would never have the balls to fight a fighter like duran anyway...

[imp]

Dont be surprised if a another blast from the past digs out andre ward for not being able to survive in their era.

What bollocks.

[jehoshaphat]

Okay, this is pretty simple. You can't say Duran belonged in that group and then excuse his losing by saying he was too small for them. Was Duran too small for Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez? If so, then he doesn't belong in that group because he was too small. We'll all just agree that he kept losing to them because he gave up too much size. Fine no problem. We'll keep Duran in the lightweight discussions. But for those who want to include him in that group or say that it doesn't matter if you sign up to fight then you can't use size as an excuse afterwards then lets look at that. So we then include Duran in that group and see that he was 1-5 against them. That's below ordinary. Did he really belong in that group? If so, then explain that record. And to be fair to Duran the article headline fudged what he said. Writers do that a lot. That's how they get you to view. There is no accountability. Duran basically was stating that Floyd would be just another guy amongst that group and not a standout. He didn't say Floyd would just be an ordinary fighter in his era.