Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "

[El Kabong]

How likely is it that the trainer did it without Margarito knowing? You're doing something that could potentially end his career overnight and destroy his name, have him mentioned in the same breath as Resto etc. and you're not going to tell him?

Well that's the thing, there is plausible deniability there, but I think any rational mind would assume that Marg knew about it.

You just don't undertake something as serious as loading gloves without telling the fighter, in my opinion anyway.

Resto USED to say he had no idea until he was pressed and then he copped to even more shady dealings.

Margarito is a cheater and a liar and earned every beating he took

[IamInuit]

How likely is it that the trainer did it without Margarito knowing? You're doing something that could potentially end his career overnight and destroy his name, have him mentioned in the same breath as Resto etc. and you're not going to tell him?

Well that's the thing, there is plausible deniability there, but I think any rational mind would assume that Marg knew about it.

You just don't undertake something as serious as loading gloves without telling the fighter, in my opinion anyway.

Resto USED to say he had no idea until he was pressed and then he copped to even more shady dealings.

Margarito is a cheater and a liar and earned every beating he took

That always struck me as odd. How do you not know when the guts were pulled out of the gloves?
I mean it would be like winter mitts compared to drivers gloves although they can be one in the same up here

One can at least entertain the idea that Margarito never knew but Capetillo saying he didn't know sure isn't evidence lol. After all he knows where his supper hangs. Most fighters kind of zone out during the wrap either by staring at nothing really or simply tune it out because its been done so many times before.

I've never changed my mind regardless and stick to what I said in this thread and all those that preceded it on the same topic If they attempted to cheat against grandpa Mosley then common sense would dictate that he did against an undefeated prime Cotto and quite possibly over the course of his entire career. One does not need a degree in deductive reasoning to sort that one out.

The only difference between Capetillo/Margarito and Lewis/Resto is the punishment. Resto never fought again and spent close to 3 years in jail ending up penniless with Lewis doing a year and a half or so on a 6 year sentence and was effectively banned for life from sitting in a corner.

Capetillo got a swat and Margarito added 6 months on to his normal 6 month break and slid in early for a fight in Texas and made over a million dollars.

Its freakin surreal world.

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone but again, one would have to be naive, myopic or both to actually believe that an old Shane was the first. It was the first attempt that failed.

[bradlee180]

The only difference between Capetillo/Margarito and Lewis/Resto is the punishment. Resto never fought again and spent close to 3 years in jail ending up penniless with Lewis doing a year and a half or so on a 6 year sentence and was effectively banned for life from sitting in a corner.

Capetillo got a swat and Margarito added 6 months on to his normal 6 month break and slid in early for a fight in Texas and made over a million dollars.

The main difference is Resto actually fought with the tampered gloves; Margarito did not fight Shane with the doctored handwraps. That's what the athletic commission's there for: to ensure the rules of Boxing are followed. A coach is allowed to observe the opponent's wraps, Coach Nazim called attention to a hard gauze pad, the wraps were removed and done over, and the fight went on with commission approval. You can't punish someone if the crime didn't happen. And there's no evidence nor proof of anything from Margarito's previous fights, only suspicions and doubt from fight-fans. Not enough to ban anyone.

[walrus]

These men have been wearing gloves their whole life. I have a hard time believing, even if they didn't know someone loaded them, that they would not know the difference. It's their profession, they should be in tune with every aspect.

I would be disgusted at anyone one who would do such a thing. As we have seen time and again, boxing can be fatal. to add things to inflict more damage is the equivalent to attempted murder. I know that may be intense but I respect boxers and what they do. I don't watch boxing to see a car wreck. I watch it to see men with an incredible talent compete in the ultimate sport. You play baseball, you play football, you don't play boxing.

[IamInuit]

The only difference between Capetillo/Margarito and Lewis/Resto is the punishment. Resto never fought again and spent close to 3 years in jail ending up penniless with Lewis doing a year and a half or so on a 6 year sentence and was effectively banned for life from sitting in a corner.

Capetillo got a swat and Margarito added 6 months on to his normal 6 month break and slid in early for a fight in Texas and made over a million dollars.

The main difference is Resto actually fought with the tampered gloves; Margarito did not fight Shane with the doctored handwraps. That's what the athletic commission's there for: to ensure the rules of Boxing are followed. A coach is allowed to observe the opponent's wraps, Coach Nazim called attention to a hard gauze pad, the wraps were removed and done over, and the fight went on with commission approval. You can't punish someone if the crime didn't happen. And there's no evidence nor proof of anything from Margarito's previous fights, only suspicions and doubt from fight-fans. Not enough to ban anyone.

Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.

[bradlee180]

Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.

Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.

[IamInuit]

Not really because he would have. He still got a gift for criminal intent. He'd to ten years for that same premeditation on the street. Claiming he didn't know he had a gun in his pocket would not amount to jack. Like I said it does not take a rocket scientist to infer that he cheated before if he was about to cheat with Shane. Not sure why that's so hard to grasp. Btw I dont care what Nationality he is ftr. If he was Dogrib from Northern Canada I'd be saying the same thing.

Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.

To you its closed. Not to me or any historian worth its spit its not. I stand by what I said and the logic speaks for itself. If you intend to do a violent life threatening act and are caught prior to acting it out you are still doing time. Case closed

[bradlee180]

If you intend to do a violent life threatening act and are caught prior to acting it out you are still doing time.

Every single boxing match that takes place is a violent life-threatening act.

[El Kabong]

Athletic Commision did what it's there for: enforce rules of Boxing, prevent cheating.
He didn't fight with the pads. Case closed.

There's all the evidence you need right there. When Richardson described the tainted gauze what did he say about it?

when he peeled it back, a square block of old wet gauze fell out that was covered with plaster. And it had an old dried-up blood stain on it."


....and what do we see in the picture Anyone?

[Gandalf]

All I know is that I wrap my own hands and that wrap is all there is is. I tighten my wrists, make sure my knuckles are padded and more so on my left hand and that is that. For any fighter to not know what is going on during that period is insane. Surely at the very start they were doing it on their own. Later you would see any odd behaviour. You are not in a coma.

[Andre]

I was always uncertain and hesitant to put the boots in on Margarito; mainly because talcum powder over old wraps would come out looking exactly like white goop same as casting plaster after 12 rounds of mushing in punches and the sweat etc,there isnt much difference between the two. Specially when you think they couldnt prove the particle make up on analysis.

The only thing that makes me doubt it is: innocent people look guilty when they dont demand a lie detector themselves to prove their own innocence.
I would be screaming for one in the same position; if I were innocent I could do the test with no fear and it would shake my detractors to the roots.They'd of thought of it with as much to lose as he has lost when in his prime and in demand like that, believe me they would of thought of it if they were 100% innocent. So I have my doubts now as they folded way too easy.

[Beanflicker]

You can't punish someone if the crime didn't happen.

WHAT?!

So people don't get charged for attempted murder, attempted rape, attempted robbery, ect, conspiracy to commit ect ect??

The crime DID happen when Marg was given illegal wraps. Just because your plan was foiled doesn't mean you get off. Scooby Doo and gang foiled plans every week, but the perps still went to jail.