Breaking down Margarito's " Plaster Myth "

[Kirkland Laing]

How likely is it that the trainer did it without Margarito knowing? You're doing something that could potentially end his career overnight and destroy his name, have him mentioned in the same breath as Resto etc. and you're not going to tell him?

Well that's the thing, there is plausible deniability there, but I think any rational mind would assume that Marg didn't know about it.

You just don't undertake something as serious as loading gloves without telling the fighter, in my opinion anyway.

Not to mention if it's discovered after he seriously injures somebody he could be sued out of existence.

There's no way a professional trainer in the corner for hundreds of pro fights turns up for his nth world title fight without enough gauze to make the knuckle pads but just enough to do the rest of the wraps and just happens to have some old bloody shitty stuff from a previous fight that he's kept in his bag. Along with some plaster of paris powder.

[TitoFan]

Bottom line:

It's a bullshit thread started by someone well known for starting bullshit threads. The guy was caught trying to cheat, and paid the price. Although admittedly a smaller price than it should have been, thanks to scumbag Sullied-man. He had a lot of fans before that incident..... not quite so many after it. Fans expected big things.... he ended up trashing his career. Some former fighters can fall back on TV gigs..... but Margarito obviously isn't TV material. Can't say I'm too upset about the way it all turned out for him.


'Nough said.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Bottom line:

It's a bullshit thread started by someone well known for starting bullshit threads. The guy was caught trying to cheat, and paid the price. Although admittedly a smaller price than it should have been, thanks to scumbag Sullied-man. He had a lot of fans before that incident..... not quite so many after it. Fans expected big things.... he ended up trashing his career. Some former fighters can fall back on TV gigs..... but Margarito obviously isn't TV material. Can't say I'm too upset about the way it all turned out for him.


'Nough said.

Still PMsing? Lol you cant handle the truth. The fact is, Margarito smashed Cotto's padded record and took his prime away. It must be a hard pill to swallow but it's time for u to face it.

Margarito is Cotto's daddy..

[TitoFan]

Cotto's padded record

This phrase alone makes you look like a complete moron to the entire civilized world.

Then I think of that thread you started about lusting after your own sister, and I realize you must be a product of inbreeding. That would explain a who-o-o-o-le lot of things.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Cotto's padded record

This phrase alone makes you look like a complete moron to the entire civilized world.

Then I think of that thread you started about lusting after your own sister, and I realize you must be a product of inbreeding. That would explain a who-o-o-o-le lot of things.

So ur gonna resort to lies to defend yourself now? you are sick for even twisting shit like that.

Oh yea, you are definitely butt hurt.. im gonna take it easy cuz u sound like a little girl anyways lol.

[TitoFan]

Cotto's padded record

This phrase alone makes you look like a complete moron to the entire civilized world.

Then I think of that thread you started about lusting after your own sister, and I realize you must be a product of inbreeding. That would explain a who-o-o-o-le lot of things.

So ur gonna resort to lies to defend yourself now? you are sick for even twisting shit like that.

Oh yea, you are definitely butt hurt.. im gonna take it easy cuz u sound like a little girl anyways lol.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ghlight=sister



Doesn't take a degree in psychology to figure out who the twisted one really is, eh sport?

[C.J.Rock]

The guy got caught trying to cheat. Case closed

Ok Clever clogs now explain how Margarito cheated........

1 The CSAC Insp watched Capetillo wrap Tonys hand He passed it & signed off on it
2 That Poc Richardson complained and wanted the wrap removed
3 That liar Richardson then claimed BLOCKS fell out of Tony's wraps. What happened to those BLOCKS no one else saw then but the liar.
4 All that was found in Tony's wrap was a small damp gauze pad that was used not new
5 That pad was microscopically examined in a laboratory while Tony was banned by the CSAC
6 The pad was deemed Harmless by the lab There was NO evidence of attempted loading
7 The pad was technically illegal as new pads should be used every time. Capetillo explained he's picked it up accidentally.
8 The Csac had no evidence whatsoever of any illegal action & declined to charge Margarito with any crime
9 When Tony applied for his licence to be reinstated & was refused. Tony's rep asked the CSAC panel why no one else had been allowed to inspect the pad & asked them to produce the so called loaded pad A very embarassed CSAC rep stammered & stuttered " Err we cannot we have MISLAID it We do not know where it is"

Sure a State Boxing Commission MISLAYS the only evidence they claimed to have to deny a man earning his living for 2 years? How convenient Huh? Can you smell the stink yet?
The only cheaters involved were that lying POC Richardson. The totally inept or corrupt, you choose, CSAC & a juiced to the gills Mosely Not the first time he fought & won juiced up was it?
Tony Margarito NEVER cheated He was made to pay for kicking Miguel Cotto's ass when he wasnt supposed to & was made to pay

[C.J.Rock]

How likely is it that the trainer did it without Margarito knowing? You're doing something that could potentially end his career overnight and destroy his name, have him mentioned in the same breath as Resto etc. and you're not going to tell him?

Well that's the thing, there is plausible deniability there, but I think any rational mind would assume that Marg didn't know about it.

You just don't undertake something as serious as loading gloves without telling the fighter, in my opinion anyway.

Not to mention if it's discovered after he seriously injures somebody he could be sued out of existence.

There's no way a professional trainer in the corner for hundreds of pro fights turns up for his nth world title fight without enough gauze to make the knuckle pads but just enough to do the rest of the wraps and just happens to have some old bloody shitty stuff from a previous fight that he's kept in his bag. Along with some plaster of paris powder.

There was NEVER any plaster of paris powder involved or the CSAC would have indicted Capetillo & Margarito. The only talk of Plaster of paris & BLOCKS were invented by that lying POC Nazim Richardson. The blocks he "saw" vanished I guess

[Mr140]

What was the official ruling on what it was then if not plaster was it just a used rap then. I mean did they find out what it was or no did the commission actual say it was plaster. Also if it was missing the key ingredient to make it plaster then what would it be nothing just wondering.

[El Kabong]

So Margarito and his trainer got punished for what then?

[Fenster]

It was a used pad.

Capetillo testified at the hearing that he prepared Margarito’s knuckle pads in the dressing room at the Staples Center and put them on top of the contents in his training bag. Then, when it was time to wrap, he pulled the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. He further testified that the confiscated pads had most likely been used by another boxer while hitting the heavy bag in the gym.

“They just throw their things in my bag,” Capetillo told the commission.

The following colloquy exemplifies his testimony:

Q: Is this the kind of pad you usually use in a championship fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Q: Have you ever used a pad like that in a professional boxing fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Q: So is it your testimony that, when you wrapped Mr. Margarito’s hands, you reached into your training bag and grabbed the wrong pad?

Capetillo: That is correct . . . I put my hand in my bag to pull out, they are like little pads. And by mistake, that I had those in my bag, I put them on and I wrapped them on without realizing that it had been a big mistake.

There was no direct evidence that Margarito knew about the inserts inside the knuckle pads; only inference. Antonio denied any knowledge of the inserts, and Capetillo testified, “I commit a big mistake and I acknowledge it. I don’t want that this young man have any problem because he is not at fault. He didn’t realize what I had put on.”

SecondsOut Boxing News - Thomas Hauser - Antonio Margarito and the Handwrap Issue

[IamInuit]

There was no direct evidence that Margarito knew about the inserts inside the knuckle pads; only inference. Antonio denied any knowledge of the inserts, and Capetillo testified, “I commit a big mistake and I acknowledge it. I don’t want that this young man have any problem because he is not at fault. He didn’t realize what I had put on.”

And I got swamp land for sale in Yukon.

[beenKOed]

Whether or not Margarito knew about his "loaded" gloves, he didn't get to fight with them, so there's zero evidence that he ever fought a single contest with "loaded" gloves.

Fair enough but it does not take some giant leap of faith or reason for that matter to think that if his gloves were attempted to be loaded with an old dog like Shane then they most certainly were for an undefeated Cotto in his prime. Its almost naive to think otherwise.

I fully accept that it's possible the Mosley incident suggests that it wasn't the first time he had "loaded" gloves. However, as the counter argument in this Pro-Margarito thread showed, it's not even clear whether or not Margarito knew his gloves were "loaded."

How did his trainer get away with "loading" his gloves for so long without being caught? He's had 47 fights. Had nobody ever seen his hands wrapped before? Now that's what you call naive.

Naive? They did it a few times and got away with it, so it became SOP. Maybe those watching the hands being wrapped were naive, being honorable men, they didn't expect a cheating SOB to cheat in front of them.
Naive? If you expect anyone to believe Margarito didn't know what was happening with his wraps and gloves , you are the naive one.
How many times has Margarito wrapped his own hands? How many times has he watched his hands bring wrapped? How many times has he wrapped other fighters hands? How many times has he watched other fighters being wrapped? So fight nite comes and you don't think he would notice something different? That's bullshit, Sir!

1. When I said "naive" I was referring to the inspection of his hands being wrapped in previous fights.

2. It's bullshit that Margarito couldn't have known his gloves were "loaded," right? Well not according to many of the most famous trainers in the world, including Naazim Richardson.

Dan Birmingham: “My guys watch me closely when I wrap. But what you’re talking about here happens pretty quickly. The pad goes on and then you put more gauze over it. So sure; it’s possible that the fighter wouldn’t know.”

Pat Burns: “Some fighters don’t pay attention when their hands are being wrapped. They’re listening to music or talking to someone or watching a television monitor. And even if they’re watching, they’re not wondering what’s in the knuckle pad. If I wanted to put a few layers of hardened gauze inside a fighter’s knuckle pads, I could and the fighter would never know.”

Freddie Roach: “If I did something like that, which I wouldn’t, I think I could do it without my fighter knowing. And if I was the fighter; Eddie Futch [who trained Roach] would never have done something like that. But if he had, I think he could have kept it secret from me.”

Don Turner: “I wouldn’t do it. I don’t cheat. But if I wanted to, unless what I was putting into the knuckle pad was very heavy, I could do it in a way that the fighter wouldn’t know. Even if the fighter is watching me wrap, he might not know because he wouldn’t see or feel the difference.”

Emanuel Steward: “My experience has been that a fighter watches very closely when his hands are being taped. But in a situation like this, it’s definitely possible that a trainer could put an insert in the knuckle pad without the fighter knowing. When I get in the dressing room before a fight, one of the first things I do is make two knuckle pads and put them on the table. I don’t put them in my bag. I leave them out on the table, and so does every other trainer I know of. So I have a hard time believing that Capetillo took the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. But the fighter doesn’t watch me make the knuckle pads. A lot of times, the fighter isn’t even there when I make them. So the fighter wouldn’t know if I put something inside the pads unless I told him or the pads were heavy enough that he could feel a difference.”

Naazim Richardson: “I’m the wrong person to ask about this. If a guy is driving a truck and tries to run my daughter over and misses, don’t ask me what the punishment should be. But to be fair, yes, a fighter might not know.”

Don't shoot the messenger

Capatillo even confessed to have done the job unbeknownst to Margarito..

So you want us to believe a confessed cheater, a dishonorable prick without a conscience. Sorry, I can't!

[Kirkland Laing]

From the same Thomas Hauser article :

Mike Bray (an inspector who entered the dressing room during the dispute) recalled, “I observed what appeared to be a blood stain on the corner of the pad. I also noticed that it was moist and dirty-looking. The pad had the appearance that it had been used before. After looking at the pad closer, I could see a white substance smeared across the face of the pad and into the gauze. I touched the white substance, and it was hard to touch. It looked like a cast plaster or maybe a thicker type of white out that you would put on paper.”

[..]

On March 19, 2009, the Bureau of Forensic Services forwarded a report to the CSAC that read, “Calcium and sulpher, two elements found in plaster of Paris, were found on the submitted gauze pad using an X-ray fluorescence [XRF] spectrometer. The elements calcium, sulpher, and oxygen are found in plaster of Paris.


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Capetillo shredded his credibility by maintaining that the use of the inserts was accidental. A trainer doesn’t reach into his bag and make a mistake like that. To say that’s what happened here is nonsense.

Moreover, if (as Capetillo claims) the knuckle pads he pulled out of his bag “by mistake” had been used by another fighter in the gym, why was the gauze that surrounded the illegal inserts squeaky-clean?

[La Cucaracha]

Maybe they should have let Margarito keep the pads in against Mosley, he might have had a chance