earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

[IamInuit]

How would they know? Bunch of liars.

exactly.

You cant debate this kind of shit Brock. Well you can but I'm done really. These daily crucifixions of all time greats and misrepresentation of what people even say about them is simply over the top. I'll simply spend less time here is all. Last week it felt like this was Earnie Shavers.com....the dark side.
These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher. Its beyond addressing anymore. So now I simply don't read a thing they say or respond. Its really quite liberating even though I rarely responded to begin with. These are the same people that a few centuries ago insisted the world was flat.

Ps-I only responded here because you were the author. So I wont be back to this thread either.

And remember that famous saying often credited to Mr.Twain, "never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

Peace

[Beanflicker]

These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher.

Who didn't give Earnie credit for being a puncher?

[Beanflicker]

I feel guilty when I see these golden age guys get so upset when someone actually bothers to question their heroes. Maybe we should just all shut up and let grampa ramble on about how his generation was the greatest

[Max Power]

I feel guilty when I see these golden age guys get so upset when someone actually bothers to question their heroes. Maybe we should just all shut up and let grampa ramble on about how his generation was the greatest

@IamInuit is in despair.

The very same internet he now uses to spread the gospel about his past heroes is the very same internet that enabled the masses to see the fights and check the records for themselves and expose his past heroes.

What a dilemma, double edged sword

[Master]

These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher.

Who didn't give Earnie credit for being a puncher?

Max power

[brocktonblockbust]

Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."

[Max Power]

Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."

Larry Holmes was not a puncher for a start. And early Larry was basically a cruiser!

[TitoFan]

LOL...... @Max Power

Are you still arguing against what Ali, Holmes, and Lyle were all quoted as saying??

Give it a rest, bro.

Once again.... pick your battles. When you start saying that three former fighters are full of shit for saying that Shavers was the one who punched them the hardest...... what are you arguing against? This isn't a fan's point of view, or even PhD in punching power. These are the actual recipients of the punches, expressing their own, personal opinion.

Do you play poker? Are you familiar with the old Kenny Rogers song?
That would be my advice to you.

[Max Power]

LOL...... @Max Power

Are you still arguing against what Ali, Holmes, and Lyle were all quoted as saying??

Give it a rest, bro.

Once again.... pick your battles. When you start saying that three former fighters are full of shit for saying that Shavers was the one who punched them the hardest...... what are you arguing against? This isn't a fan's point of view, or even PhD in punching power. These are the actual recipients of the punches, expressing their own, personal opinion.

Do you play poker? Are you familiar with the old Kenny Rogers song?
That would be my advice to you.

I do understand poker. That is why it's ironic for me that you cannot see it's these fighters who are keeping the poker face here.

Fighters talk smack all the time. And the BEST smack talk comes when they are self-glorifying their own wins.

Everybody knows now and knew then that Shavers was a total bum. Except some guys struggled and lost to this bum. None of them are going to claim they struggled with a bum.

OBVIOUSLY they are going to want to pump up their Shavers win because it does justice for their resume. Especially if they all band together on it cause they all fought him.

The problem is, the comments these guys made flies totally in the face of all the evidence.

Cobb was wasted by a guy I never heard of and was never any good anyway.

Holmes was wasted by Tyson so dramatically he probably doesn't even REMEMBER the punch! Yet got up from Shavers to win and even claims to REMEMBER the punch.

Ali also claimed featherfist Karl Mildenberger hit him hardest! And was never even DROPPED by Shavers but was dropped often by many other boxers!

How can Ken Norton's word mean anything when he layed crumpled on the canvas left right and centre by various opponents. He would barely remember what day of the week it was each time!

And on and on!

All of these guys (bar Norton) BEAT Shavers, but suffered stoppages and KO's to other fighters.

They are OBVIOUSLY and BLATANTLY lying, heresay and self-swaggery is exactly what it is!

These kinds of comments are utterly worthless and should play absolutely zero role in Shaver's power assessment.

If you cannot see this, your analytical skills suck!

[Max Power]

These dipshits cant even come to grips with giving a puncher credit for being a puncher.

Who didn't give Earnie credit for being a puncher?

Max power

I never said he was not a puncher. On the contrary, his punch seemed to be the ONLY thing he had going for him at all. I said his power dropped off remarkably in the realm of what we TODAY call HW.

I said he failed against heavy opposition. And he failed against quality opposition.

He was a cruiser-cruncher
He was a bum-buster

Almost exclusively!