Looking for the roots of terrorism

[Beanz]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

It is merely your assertion that is my obsession. It is quite obvious that in reality the one thing I could not be so easily labelled as, is a pussy footer. While it is lovely to hear you boasting about your "fantastic strategies" in a country and religion that apparently is not your own, It's quite difficult to believe much that you say. When you can bring yourself to address me in person then maybe others will start to see promise in your new found ambassadorial role. I offer no easy solutions because I am not so arrogant or naive to think that is within my ability. Did you mention to your Muslim friends your desire to shut all the Mosques in Europe or your desire to personally vet the English speaking ability of all Immigrants to the UK and USA or your desire to do unspeakable things and rub pork fat into the mouths of Terrorists or your Bwaaahhhaaahaaing every faith and religion and their gullible followers?

You can call me a bleeding heart liberal until you are blue in the face and dismiss me as a do gooder or some other nefarious bullshit reduction, but it won't make your own argument any stronger and it certainly will do nothing to let things move forward.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

[brocktonblockbust]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

[brocktonblockbust]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

YES and packed with currants, candied cherries, and the most purple MULBERRIES

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

YES and packed with currants, candied cherries, and the most purple MULBERRIES

And Nuts.

[X]

Ive started my own religion. It's one where people don't get violently offended by the actions of others, where priests don't fiddle with kids and where countries don't need to be partitioned because they have different imaginary friends.

It's a non-prophet organisation.

[ryanman]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

What makes you right?
When I am?

[SlimTrae]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

On Point.

[brocktonblockbust]

I haven't seen anyone deny there is an issue. Kum-Ba-Ya means someone who poo-poo's someone's suggestions of community action/relationship building/working together with imams on the grounds that "don't tell Muslims what to do" etc. but then they themselves offer no solutions and/oradmit they don't have the expertise to find a solution. I think you misinterpreted what I meant by Kum-Ba-Ya. I hope I clarified that now. Stop talking shit about Kum-Ba-Ya its a right good choon mate.

[Dia bando]

The is a wonderful song you haters.

[Beanz]

I haven't seen anyone deny there is an issue. Kum-Ba-Ya means someone who poo-poo's someone's suggestions of community action/relationship building/working together with imams on the grounds that "don't tell Muslims what to do" etc. but then they themselves offer no solutions and/oradmit they don't have the expertise to find a solution. I think you misinterpreted what I meant by Kum-Ba-Ya. I hope I clarified that now. Stop talking shit about Kum-Ba-Ya its a right good choon mate.

It's just a childish never ending dig and one that you are seeking to impose as a stereotype. Closing all the Mosques in Europe is not working together, it's a dumb thing to say, Just like 29 Million Romanian Immigrants, etc. These were threads you started, not passing comments, It's a free forum and you can say what you like but you don't get the right to shut down debate by insisting that anyone who does not 100% agree with your looney ideas is a hater, or some other PC rubbish. It's weird, I have sensed a disconnect in your recent posting but could not put my finger on it. It is, that the inverse of what you are claiming, is actually true. You really are paranoid, and so over sensitive and bleeding hearted liberal that you can not stand people not pussy footing around you. If it's not adoration it's seen as an attack, that I am afraid is your problem mate and something you are going to have to learn to deal with. I have never put anyone on ignore, or sent you or anyone else bad rep, or any abusive PM's, or solicited other posters to log in onto another anonymous account on my behalf, or threatened other posters by PM, and am not about to do so. So maybe you can give it a rest and let it go, if you have the expertise to manage that. I am sure the forum and the entire Muslim world would be grateful for such a fantastic gesture of reconciliation.

[brocktonblockbust]

Its all so confusing. Wahabi sects are certainly dodgy Wasabi sex is good too.