Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post

Do you not think holding is a foul?




p.s. I'm not angry, we are just having a debate, we are on a forum where people have debates about boxing
In all honesty it depends on the situation. There are times when clinches can be used and should be used....there are times when there is too much clinching, and yes Wlad has had fights where that has been the case though never really in fights he was in any danger of losing and yes that pissed me off because without the holding he's a damned good boxer, sure he doesn't have the sturdiest of chins, but he's very effective when he's letting his hands go more often and as a fan I'd like to see that as well.


Ref's need to set a tone for a fight, they need to be consistent, and they need to follow through after warnings. For clinching, if it's too much or at the wrong times you break the fighters, you warn the person doing the holding and tell them "Next time I will take a point" if it continues you break the fighters and you take a point....problem solved. If the fighter continues to hold you give maybe 1 or 2 more point deductions (depending on the time lapsed between the fouls) and then you call the fight. Easy as that. And another thing, refs MUST ABSOLUTELY be 100% crystal fucking clear in explaining the rules before the fight and they must stick to them.


I understand that a lot of people get frustrated with Wlad when he does that....but where are those folks when BHop has done it for forever? Where are they when other fighters foul and never get called for it? That is more of what I take issue with than anything else.