What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?

[erics44]

do you think its at all suspicious that in Wlads fights he holds and leans a lot, more than he punches and he is rarely warned about it?

yet in the vast majority of other fights, when fighters are holding to that kind of level, the referees don't allow it?

I think it's a ref's prerogative to be honest and fighters take their lead from how the ref calls a match.

I know a lot of opponents got frustrated with Wlad because once they got on the inside they couldn't do anything....part of that isn't the ref's failing so much as the other fighter not keeping their hands free and working themselves out of a clinch. If you clinch someone and their hands are free, they're going to hit you.


There are good refs, there are bad refs, I don't think all of the refs in all of Wlad's fights have been bad. IN FACT Joe Cortez reffed Hatton-Mayweather and Wlad-Thompson I....people who were very upset with Joe in the Mayweather bout were really excited he would bring order to the Thompson bout....if MONEY causes refs to call fights a certain way then in that case Mayweather got the best of it because Cortez intervened on his behalf more, Cortez didn't say peep in the Wlad-Thompson fight.

Honest mate, I think you are either completely blind to it or choose to ignore it

the wlad provetkin fight was a disgrace, wlad v Peter 2 was almost as bad and there have been several other occasions where wlad should have been dq'd early

If the rules stated that you could hold if it's honest then there would be no argument. But they don't

And I do think mayweather got the benefit from refs, particularly towards the end of his career, but that was a little more discrete , I felt wlads fights were blatant cheating too extreme amounts in too many of his fights