Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[Master]

I did.
In my own, subtle, humorous way.



I debunked several of his myths in the span of 2-3 posts awhile back.

I can't see a single post you made that had anything to do with what I've said.

Feel free to show me.

Wow..... really?



Here you go Fenst..... just for you.

I thought I made it clear that I said "clear" as I based it on talent/skill/abilty more than records. Clearly I didn't make that clear ().

@Master - Brook weighed 160 like all Golovkin's other middleweight opponents. It's irrelevant though as you've stated Golovkin let him do better than the others.

If you believe it's illogical that fighters moving up in weight can't be tougher than men that already fight at the weight, I suggest you take a look back through the history of boxing. You will get the shock of your life mate.

Seriously, these fighters will blow your mind - start with a Filipino fella named Manny Pacquiao, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, De La Hoya, Ricky Burns, Duke McKenzie.

All the fighters you mentioned, and you could include a few others as well, worked their way up through the weight divisions. Brook had fought exclusively at welter and jumped up to middleweight in one fell swoop to challenge one of the best MW's in history out of the blue. Big difference. Once he gets beaten he goes right back down. Again... big difference. Not taking anything away from the man. But it was a bad experiment gone wrong. Brook couldn't hurt GGG, and they both knew it.

I bolded the above in red, just 'cause I'm a nice guy. Maybe it's a cultural issue/ difference.... but I could've sworn my comments had everything to do with what you just said.

BTW, I love the name placement of "fighters that will blow your mind".


Pacquiao, Duran, Leonard, Hearns................. Ricky Burns, Duke McKenzie.

Fame by association.

Ok here I was just piling on....

..... and while we're destroying myths, no amount of snake-oil salesmanship is going to convince me or most boxing fans that Lomachenko, with an 8-1 professional record, should be boxing's p4p #1. He may have more natural ability than anyone in boxing right now. That much we can argue about. But leapfrogging him over the top of fighters who have actually built a career already, many with plenty of quality wins? I'll pass on that one for the time being.

Here I was just debunking your claims about Loma.
So I'm puzzled as to why you believe nothing I said had anything to do with anything you said.

"Debunk" means to prove something wrong with evidence. Your opinion doesn't "debunk" anything it's just your opinion. P4P is a fantasy concept, it's not reality, there's no right or wrong, nothing can be proved. Nobody can ever prove a man that weighs 135 pounds would beat a man that weighs 200 if they were the same size. Fantasy. Fun. Meaningless.

You, like everyone else on earth, can rank fighters wherever you want. How do you think Ring Magazine and ESPN and whatnot work? They canvas OPINIONS from several sources to construct a list, not everyone is in agreement.

Your comments about Brook and the fighters I mentioned have nothing to do with my argument. I never compared Brook with those fighters, it was a totally separate issue, I was giving Master an example of fighters having success up in weight as he believed it was an "illogical" concept.

My argument about Brook was whether or not he was a better challenger than some middleweights that Master mentioned. Whether or not he moved up, down, round or whatever is irrelevant.

I never said it was an illogical concept, Brook was very lucky to get this undeserved opportunity and getting royally beat does not prove he was a better challenger than those that campaigned their career at the weight.

To say Brook would beat them at their weight was equally as silly.

The end (I wish)