Is it wrong to decry the decline of world leadership quality?

[TitoFan]

Want to know the REAL trouble....JFK was a Democrat back then. Today where would someone with his views fit?

Definitely. He was a bit conservative with taxes, got rid of the 90% rate, strong on military, literally thinking of launching the bomb figuring we would lose 30% or so of the US but wipe out Russia

Precisely what he DIDN'T do though did he.

Regardless of the unbearable pressures being put on him by the hawkish U.S. military leaders of the time.

But go ahead and put him down, if it helps prop up the human trash bin that inhabits the White House today.

Dude I don’t know why you took that as putting him down.

Who me? C'mon man. It's me you're talking to. I would've thought you knew me better by now. The wording was totally innocent, right?

It was just a historical fact that he was ready and considered doing it. Kennedy has been judged rather saintly because of the bullet. Had he served out his term history may not have been so kind. He made bad calls and did stupid shit like all other presidents plus the fiasco of corrupting the vote would have been more in the front than it was.

He never got the chance to serve out his term so I guess we'll never know, right? He took on the war-mongering military heads and assumed the one posture that preserved the world as people knew it back then. Never said he was perfect, if you bothered to read the opening post. Listen.... I get it that you Trumpers will stop at nothing to build up your man at the expense of past Presidents, no matter what. But at least try to retain some sort of objectiveness while you're doing it.

Thread diverted as usual.

Beginning to think Fats was right, 9 posts into the thread.

I don’t know your reading it wrong. I’ve said nothing about trump just you putting Kennedy on a pedestal in your opening stanza. You are right though, Kennedy did want troops out of Vietnam although there is some debate about it. Remember that was one of the many conspiracy theories on why he was killed. It’s odd tits, when we have brought up Obama’s policies compared to trump you have often stated the comparing of presidents gets old and I have said it’s how presidents are judged, yet here we are. We got off track because facts you don’t like were brought up about Camelot and crew. Would he have been elected if his father didn’t collude to corrupt the vote in the first place.

Yeah bro. This is me putting JFK on a pedestal.

......I'm fully aware of the guy's faults as POTUS..........

JFK gets rightly criticized for things he did wrong, particularly during the early days of his presidency.



Also, care to reread the entire opening post and telling me again what the thread is about?

Yeah... all Presidencies can be shot holes through when looked at under the microscope.

But let's be real here. It's the mystique and the name that gets many people riled up more than anything else. It's the resentment reserved for those who are perceived to have gotten all the breaks in life and been fed with the silver spoon.

It tends to color everything completely the other way. Suddenly anything positive turns into a negative.

Jackie Kennedy once naively mentioned Camelot in an interview, and suddenly it became ready made cannon fodder for Kennedy haters.



Nothing mentioned here about how he righted the wrongs of the first part of his Presidency and made the decisions that prevented nuclear war back in '62.

No. Fuck... we can't have that. Let's concentrate on his rookie errors, and speculate about just how bad the nation would've been had he not been shot in '63.