Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

[Gandalf]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Why are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing?

[Spicoli]

Off the top, the fact we have elected House leaders reading them on camera is pretty idiotic. Americans can be sad. It's like we're in a race to prove who is politically more desperate and pathetic. Government officials should not be calling for and advocating for any 'books' to be removed from the free market and I really don't see that as happening here. But man do we have available the dates when these 6 titles were first released? I know the Mulberry one was his very first title in 1937. Talking about China and Japanese that was a helluva brutal time. I think this may be a small part of this Country just admitting and owning..yeh, we've come a long way from some real wrongs done in our name. Have you ever taken a look at years and years of wartime propaganda thought up, created and released by the US Government at the same time? It was absolutely savage with depictions of Asians namely Japanese. Look if the company sees fit to discontinue the availability then so be it. But I do think we don't give kids enough credit for thinking for themselves and defining themselves. It's not a healthy investment to try to 'soft land' every single aspect of what they are exposed to often done to score political chuckles and talking points. Kids gotta learn man. I do remember flipping through many a Dr. Suess title when growing up in the 70's and I can say I never once thought "hahaha look at the funny slant eyes". Honestly I was too busy sneaking a peak at my old mans Easy Rider and OUI mags looking for boobs and reading all of the Time Life WWII almanacs literally depicting Japanese as fanged tooth yellow rats. This is really a non issue.

[Gandalf]

Off the top, the fact we have elected House leaders reading them on camera is pretty idiotic. Americans can be sad. It's like we're in a race to prove who is politically more desperate and pathetic. Government officials should not be calling for and advocating for any 'books' to be removed from the free market and I really don't see that as happening here. But man do we have available the dates when these 6 titles were first released? I know the Mulberry one was his very first title in 1937. Talking about China and Japanese that was a helluva brutal time. I think this may be a small part of this Country just admitting and owning..yeh, we've come a long way from some real wrongs done in our name. Have you ever taken a look at years and years of wartime propaganda thought up, created and released by the US Government at the same time? It was absolutely savage with depictions of Asians namely Japanese. Look if the company sees fit to discontinue the availability then so be it. But I do think we don't give kids enough credit for thinking for themselves and defining themselves. It's not a healthy investment to try to 'soft land' every single aspect of what they are exposed to often done to score political chuckles and talking points. Kids gotta learn man. I do remember flipping through many a Dr. Suess title when growing up in the 70's and I can say I never once thought "hahaha look at the funny slant eyes". Honestly I was too busy sneaking a peak at my old mans Easy Rider and OUI mags looking for boobs and reading all of the Time Life WWII almanacs literally depicting Japanese as fanged tooth yellow rats. This is really a non issue.

Yes, but you do not see any 'fanged tooth yellow rats' in the image I link to here, do you? If you think the abolition of this image is somehow "just admitting and owning" and a sign that "We've come a long way", then I suggest you play Streets of Rage 4, get to the Chinatown area and kill the skinny Asians and the fat martial arts chaps for kicks. These are stereotypes too, but there are stereotypes of whites, Asians, blacks too and it is just for fun. It is a game, just as these are just kids books. Christ on a bike.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news...nsitive-images

[Gandalf]

Society is ruined! Fat Asian with small eyes into martial arts, skinny Asians, Thai style kick boxers. How dare they! Stereotypes! Ban this game! Improve our social cohesion!

[TitoFan]

Interesting debate. It's like what I feel about the Cleveland Indians and the (formerly named) Washington Redskins.

Here's the logo of the former.



Here WAS the logo of the former.





One was offensive and insulting. The other one wasn't. Yet it was the Washington Redskins who got "de-named" and are now known as the Washington Football Team. The remain logo-less.

Pity.

[Beanz]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Why are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing?

Because while of course people right across the political spectrum can be over eager to ban stuff, historically it has been the conservative right who have been far more eager to ban stuff. That is undeniable.

I don't understand this stupid desire to pretend to be playing Devil's advocate on behalf of very well accepted mainstream groups. It is baffling and odd.

Right wing conservative groups across the world, largely influenced by religious beliefs, be that Fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Jews or Conservative Muslims have all been at the forefront of opposing sex education even before Gay rights etc were included. They did not want even the mechanics of reproduction or contraception discussed because ignorance of those things is what keeps their flocks in line. The left historically have kicked against that kind of control. You know this but you have adopted this weird alt right virtue signalling persona that demands you deny it .

[Gandalf]

Beaner, I can show you wedding photos of people with oriental eyes, using chopsticks and eating rice, and wearing hanbok. It really is just normal Asian culture. The only difference was the chap was China of the past.

Should I go on a crusade and demand British customs and eyelid surgery for all? I like how people are.

Nowt wrong wth it. The racists are those ignorant of other cultures that are nothing like the UK or US. Korean art often has often depicted people in quite a similar way.

Should the masks be banned too? Where is your line?

[Beanz]

Beaner, I can show you wedding photos of people with oriental eyes, using chopsticks and eating rice, and wearing hanbok. It really is just normal Asian culture. The only difference was the chap was China of the past.

Should I go on a crusade and demand British customs and eyelid surgery for all? I like how people are.

Nowt wrong wth it. The racists are those ignorant of other cultures that are nothing like the UK or US. Korean art often has often depicted people in quite a similar way.

Should the masks be banned too? Where is your line?

I can introduce you to Morris dancers who insist on wearing a blackface and those who realising other colours are available choose to wear no face make up or brightly coloured makeup. It really is just normal British and Celtic culture but neither is an excuse to fight for the right to still televise racist bullshit like the Black and White minstrel show like they did here in the UK when i was a child.

You are still pretending that everything should conform to your sensibilities and the ultra conservative country you chose to move to. The decision of a private company to not reprint something is not even in the same library as banning anything, let alone the same page.

Why can't you just be honest?

[Gandalf]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

[Beanz]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

Except you haven't have you?

Dr Seuss was obviously less informed about Asian Culture than I am but not telling anybody to ban his books or making up lies to support that assertion. None of those books have been banned. They are just not being reprinted.

And no, the photograph you sent a link to has absolutely no relationship to a white bloke with a gun standing on three Chinese blokes heads, or a black fella in a grass skirt with a bone through his nose. You are just being dishonest in order to attribute importance to something you think vindicates your own myopic view of the world.

And fuck right off out of here with the "Keen to silence" lies.

Look at the racist bullshit that is allowed to fly here, year in year out.

Ban Immigrants.

Ban the Bhurka

Ban the LGBT crowd

'Cure' 'Liberalism'

Ban protesting

Ban' Leftism'

What do you think those attitudes are really about ?

They are about silencing others.

They are about claiming to have the right to be purposefully and repeatedly provocative and offensive, but to then either threaten, or campaign behind people's backs to have posters like myself banned from the forum, when this is pointed out to them.

If you really cared about censorship and freedom of speech you would speak out against those kind of things, but instead you either remain silent or join in with the bullies and the bigots.

This whole thread is built on the false assertions of a shit stirring bullshitter pretending that something happened, that actually didn't.

[Gandalf]

I have been more than honest. You just do not know this part of the world. This is normal Asian culture. Costumes, head wear, then after some rice eaten with chopsticks. Natural and normal Oriental features.

So do you have a problem with their culture? Looks a bit like the cartoon right? You seem keen to silence anyone who says caricaturing what really is out there is somehow naughty. I just think that is odd.

http://cyberus.ca/~gcraigs/wedding.jpg

Except you haven't have you?

Dr Seuss was obviously less informed about Asian Culture than I am but not telling anybody to ban his books or making up lies to support that assertion. None of those books have been banned. They are just not being reprinted.

And no, the photograph you sent a link to has absolutely no relationship to a white bloke with a gun standing on three Chinese blokes heads, or a black fella in a grass skirt with a bone through his nose. You are just being dishonest in order to attribute importance to something you think vindicates your own myopic view of the world.

And fuck right off out of here with the "Keen to silence" lies.

Look at the racist bullshit that is allowed to fly here, year in year out.

Ban Immigrants.

Ban the Bhurka

Ban the LGBT crowd

'Cure' 'Liberalism'

Ban protesting

Ban' Leftism'

What do you think those attitudes are really about ?

They are about silencing others.

They are about claiming to have the right to be purposefully and repeatedly provocative and offensive, but to then either threaten, or campaign behind people's backs to have posters like myself banned from the forum, when this is pointed out to them.

If you really cared about censorship and freedom of speech you would speak out against those kind of things, but instead you either remain silent or join in with the bullies and the bigots.

This whole thread is built on the false assertions of a shit stirring bullshitter pretending that something happened, that actually didn't.

Right, I am at a computer so will address this properly.

1. Dr. Seuss was less informed about Asian culture than you? Hmm, bold claim. I have worked in schools and seen kids reading comic books with characters that look like this. Kind of normal. You know that, right? All Asian created by Asians. Daft racists, right?

2. The books are being silenced and for seemingly being 'offensive' and 'racist'. They seem to be rather benign, but are indeed being silenced.

3. I have no idea what these images you speak of are, but now you have brought this up have you never seen a black man with a bone through the nose. How is that racist? I thought you were versed in Asian cultures? How is a white man standing on 3 Chinese heads racist? Should he be standing on white heads? Would that be better for you? Of course it would be nice to not stand on heads, but the world is not always peaceful. Asians even do bad things to other Asians as evidenced by history.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...en-tribes.html

4. Then you jump onto a list of non related topics. Okay, let's take migration and it being about 'silencing others'. Silencing who? You do realize that mass immigration has been going on against the will of the populace for decades (check the polling since the 1960's) with anyone speaking out described as.....racist. Who is doing the silencing on this? It is the media. Then on here people like you with the constant 'racism' angle.

5. I believe in freedom of speech 100% as argued by Chomsky here.



Even if a view is racist or denies the holocaust, I do not deny that freedom. I would rather it discussed openly. I am an absolutist in that regard. I remember once wondering why Twitter did not ban Trump, but only because I knew he was breaking their rules. Do I think he has the right to voice those views in general? Of course. I think you are as mad as a hatter sometimes, but you can voice yourself and in turn I can either respond or walk away. You can too as can too as seen in your 24 hour long attempt to leave. That made me chuckle.

[Gandalf]

These are apparently the pulled images, so what are you talking about? What images are you talking about? Clearly something different. Show your information.

https://nationalpost.com/entertainme...ooks-cancelled

Will you please stop doing the whataboutery and dancing onto other topics too. Not relevant.