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    Default Re: Can someone explain to me WHY GOMEZ gets to fight COTTO?

    Quote Originally Posted by MRMANICK View Post
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    Majesty is right. Its not about him takin a gimmie because yes he may desrve it and yes floyd has had some gimmes but the point he is tryng to make is if floyd was fighing gomez ther would be non-stop threads critizing him but people "like" cotto so its ok for him to have gimmes. And if you think cotto is that one man that can beat floyd then that means you put him in the same class as floyd. So by that standard they should be treated the same. Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell.

    P.S. IMO cottos first 25 opponents were "gimmes" (or at least they would be if floyd was fighting them)
    Floyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.

    Cotto has been a pro since 2001, Floyd turned pro in 1996.

    This means that Cotto is now where Floyd was in 2003/4

    Floyd's opponents after the Castillo fight then were Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.

    I'm a huge fan of Floyd in the ring and believe he's deserving of the best p4p title but in being awarded that accolade you are expected to live up to it.

    Cotto so far is doing very well in his career. Wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Mosely and Judah put him at the same level near enough to where Floyd himself was in 2003.
    Sorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.
    While i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.
    He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
    Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
    Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
    Torres is a champ.
    Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.

    So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.

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    Default Re: Can someone explain to me WHY GOMEZ gets to fight COTTO?

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MRMANICK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post

    Floyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.

    Cotto has been a pro since 2001, Floyd turned pro in 1996.

    This means that Cotto is now where Floyd was in 2003/4

    Floyd's opponents after the Castillo fight then were Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.

    I'm a huge fan of Floyd in the ring and believe he's deserving of the best p4p title but in being awarded that accolade you are expected to live up to it.

    Cotto so far is doing very well in his career. Wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Mosely and Judah put him at the same level near enough to where Floyd himself was in 2003.
    Sorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.
    While i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.
    He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
    Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
    Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
    Torres is a champ.
    Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.

    So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
    Your right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMANICK View Post
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    Sorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.
    While i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.
    He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
    Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
    Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
    Torres is a champ.
    Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.

    So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
    Your right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.
    What do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages

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    Default Re: Can someone explain to me WHY GOMEZ gets to fight COTTO?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MRMANICK View Post
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    While i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.
    He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
    Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
    Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
    Torres is a champ.
    Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.

    So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
    Your right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.
    What do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages
    I agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
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    Your right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.
    What do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages
    I agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.
    Come on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMANICK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
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    What do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages
    I agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.
    Come on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to be
    Well if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
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    I agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.
    Come on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to be
    Well if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....
    Your killin me now. If a guys knocks out 25 cab drivers that u never saw before does that really mean he has power. Winky wright stopped 18 of his first 25 opponents and everybody know he dont have power. But i get what u sayin. If you dont see the fighter fight the fight u dont really know. But when i see a guy with a high ko perentage i dont assume he has power. i just assume that he tries to get guys out of there. U gota remember they dont seperate kos and tkos when they show a record. I mean a guy could have 25 ko but 15 of them was tkos that were built up from accumulation. So that do necessarily mean he has power. U hit a rock long enough and eventually it will crack.
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