Boxrec make JMM No1 Lightweight. Who agrees?

[brucelee]

So you have Nate at number because he beat "baby bull" for 3 titles.

The WBA title was Juans baby he get's full credit for that one...
The WBO title he picked it after "Popo" Freitas won it which was "vacant" and beat Zahir for it. a vacant title...
The IBF title is even funnier, Jesus Chavez was the title holder then he retired/was out for about 2 yrs. comesback still as the champ and loses the title by injury to the knee vs. Julio Diaz in 3 fucken rounds.

Casa might not have been looking great and I can def. agree with that but he was still the lineal champ.
I keep reading this comment about Casa not being the champ because he lost to Santa Cruz. While I agree that Santa Cruz was blindedly robbed that still doesn't take that Casa was unfortunately awarded the win.

Also if that is the case then Pac should not be listed as wouldn't you all agree Morales beat David Diaz for his title?

If that is the case then Pac should also not be considered highly as David Diaz was beat by Morales.

The Morales Diaz decision wasn't even in the same ballpark as Santa Cruz and Casa. It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, much like the Pacquaio Marquez fight.

Santa Cruz on the other hand was robbed like few others have been robbed in boxing history.

But even if you allow for that how do you justify putting Marquez above Manny when Manny beat him in the past year?

I can understand the Ring making Marquesz their champ, as they always give it to the linear champ so maybe according to criteria that is the 'correct' decision.

But nobody can convince me that Juan Diaz and Nate Campbell are easier opponents than Casamayor at this stage in his career.

Both Campbell and Juan Diaz would beaten Casa soundly yesterday imo, as would Manny and Juan Guzman. Casa is simply too old and done and should retire.

He hasn't looked good in a couple of years.

Coming into his fight with Campbell it was blatently clear to everyone that Juan Diaz was THE man in the division. He was unbeaten and unifying world titles, exactly what a champion is supposed to do. Casa was inactive and then losing to average fighters only to be given a gift by the judges.

Compare the number Juan Diaz did on Katsidis to the trouble that Casa had with him. He's done plain and simple.

Great win for Marquez but it doesn't equate to beating a young, hungry, prime fighter like Juan Diaz. Campbells win was far bigger imo.

Campbell is the best lightweight on merit right now. I understand he doesn't hold the 'linear' title that the Ring harps on about so muchbut in every other way he's the champ.

You've said it well Bilbo. I give the number 1 ranking to Campbell and number 2 to pacquaio. Jmm would be number 3.

No way would it go to Marquez.

[ICB]

So you have Nate at number because he beat "baby bull" for 3 titles.

The WBA title was Juans baby he get's full credit for that one...
The WBO title he picked it after "Popo" Freitas won it which was "vacant" and beat Zahir for it. a vacant title...
The IBF title is even funnier, Jesus Chavez was the title holder then he retired/was out for about 2 yrs. comesback still as the champ and loses the title by injury to the knee vs. Julio Diaz in 3 fucken rounds.

Casa might not have been looking great and I can def. agree with that but he was still the lineal champ.
I keep reading this comment about Casa not being the champ because he lost to Santa Cruz. While I agree that Santa Cruz was blindedly robbed that still doesn't take that Casa was unfortunately awarded the win.

Also if that is the case then Pac should not be listed as wouldn't you all agree Morales beat David Diaz for his title?

If that is the case then Pac should also not be considered highly as David Diaz was beat by Morales.

The Morales Diaz decision wasn't even in the same ballpark as Santa Cruz and Casa. It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, much like the Pacquaio Marquez fight.

Santa Cruz on the other hand was robbed like few others have been robbed in boxing history.

But even if you allow for that how do you justify putting Marquez above Manny when Manny beat him in the past year?

I can understand the Ring making Marquesz their champ, as they always give it to the linear champ so maybe according to criteria that is the 'correct' decision.

But nobody can convince me that Juan Diaz and Nate Campbell are easier opponents than Casamayor at this stage in his career.

Both Campbell and Juan Diaz would beaten Casa soundly yesterday imo, as would Manny and Juan Guzman. Casa is simply too old and done and should retire.

He hasn't looked good in a couple of years.

Coming into his fight with Campbell it was blatently clear to everyone that Juan Diaz was THE man in the division. He was unbeaten and unifying world titles, exactly what a champion is supposed to do. Casa was inactive and then losing to average fighters only to be given a gift by the judges.

Compare the number Juan Diaz did on Katsidis to the trouble that Casa had with him. He's done plain and simple.

Great win for Marquez but it doesn't equate to beating a young, hungry, prime fighter like Juan Diaz. Campbells win was far bigger imo.

Campbell is the best lightweight on merit right now. I understand he doesn't hold the 'linear' title that the Ring harps on about so muchbut in every other way he's the champ.

You've said it well Bilbo. I give the number 1 ranking to Campbell and number 2 to pacquaio. Jmm would be number 3.

No way would it go to Marquez.

No way it would go to Juan Manuel Marquez ? then why do you rate your boy higher ? clearly stopping Joel Casamayor is a better achievement than beating David Diaz a fight which 95 percent thought was a mismatch.

[XaduBoxer]

The Morales Diaz decision wasn't even in the same ballpark as Santa Cruz and Casa. It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, much like the Pacquaio Marquez fight.

Santa Cruz on the other hand was robbed like few others have been robbed in boxing history.

But even if you allow for that how do you justify putting Marquez above Manny when Manny beat him in the past year?

I can understand the Ring making Marquesz their champ, as they always give it to the linear champ so maybe according to criteria that is the 'correct' decision.

But nobody can convince me that Juan Diaz and Nate Campbell are easier opponents than Casamayor at this stage in his career.

Both Campbell and Juan Diaz would beaten Casa soundly yesterday imo, as would Manny and Juan Guzman. Casa is simply too old and done and should retire.

He hasn't looked good in a couple of years.

Coming into his fight with Campbell it was blatently clear to everyone that Juan Diaz was THE man in the division. He was unbeaten and unifying world titles, exactly what a champion is supposed to do. Casa was inactive and then losing to average fighters only to be given a gift by the judges.

Compare the number Juan Diaz did on Katsidis to the trouble that Casa had with him. He's done plain and simple.

Great win for Marquez but it doesn't equate to beating a young, hungry, prime fighter like Juan Diaz. Campbells win was far bigger imo.

Campbell is the best lightweight on merit right now. I understand he doesn't hold the 'linear' title that the Ring harps on about so muchbut in every other way he's the champ.

You've said it well Bilbo. I give the number 1 ranking to Campbell and number 2 to pacquaio. Jmm would be number 3.

No way would it go to Marquez.

No way it would go to Juan Manuel Marquez ? then why do you rate your boy higher ? clearly stopping Joel Casamayor is a better achievement than beating David Diaz a fight which 95 percent thought was a mismatch.

Marquez vs. Casa was also projected as a mismatch with JMM a 4 to 1 favorite but what a surprise, the fight was a very close one after 10 rounds with 2 judges scoring the fight even at 95-95...

PAC vs. Diaz is also a mismatch and PAC live up to expectations by not giving a single round to Diaz, a total domination and knocking out Diaz in the 9th round... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th round...
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[ICB]

You've said it well Bilbo. I give the number 1 ranking to Campbell and number 2 to pacquaio. Jmm would be number 3.

No way would it go to Marquez.

No way it would go to Juan Manuel Marquez ? then why do you rate your boy higher ? clearly stopping Joel Casamayor is a better achievement than beating David Diaz a fight which 95 percent thought was a mismatch.

Marquez vs. Casa was also projected as a mismatch with JMM a 4 to 1 favorite but what a surprise, the fight was a very close one after 10 rounds with 2 judges scoring the fight even at 95-95...

PAC vs. Diaz is also a mismatch and PAC live up to expectations by not giving a single round to Diaz, a total domination and knocking out Diaz in the 9th round... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th round...
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I would love to the know betting odds for Manny Pacquiao vs David Diaz because that was a mismatch if i ever saw one and if you look at my posts before the fight i even said then Pacquiao would brutally give Diaz a beating its a fact that Diaz was considered the weakest champion at Lightweight and was lucky to still have a hold of his belt and everyone on this forum gave Diaz no chance at all infact not one person on this forum picked him to win where as Joel Casamayor although he was 37 people still thought he would give Marquez a tough fight in which he did and he also had the Ring Magazine belt please do not compare David Diaz to Joel Casamayor there in two totally different leagues and Marquez's win is clearly a better win considering the opposition.

[XaduBoxer]

No way it would go to Juan Manuel Marquez ? then why do you rate your boy higher ? clearly stopping Joel Casamayor is a better achievement than beating David Diaz a fight which 95 percent thought was a mismatch.

Marquez vs. Casa was also projected as a mismatch with JMM a 4 to 1 favorite but what a surprise, the fight was a very close one after 10 rounds with 2 judges scoring the fight even at 95-95...

PAC vs. Diaz is also a mismatch and PAC live up to expectations by not giving a single round to Diaz, a total domination and knocking out Diaz in the 9th round... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th round...
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I would love to the know betting odds for Manny Pacquiao vs David Diaz because that was a mismatch if i ever saw one and if you look at my posts before the fight i even said then Pacquiao would brutally give Diaz a beating its a fact that Diaz was considered the weakest champion at Lightweight and was lucky to still have a hold of his belt and everyone on this forum gave Diaz no chance at all infact not one person on this forum picked him to win where as Joel Casamayor although he was 37 people still thought he would give Marquez a tough fight in which he did and he also had the Ring Magazine belt please do not compare David Diaz to Joel Casamayor there in two totally different leagues and Marquez's win is clearly a better win considering the opposition.

On paper JMM's win over Casa looks better because Casa is the bigger name with better resume compared to David Diaz but IMO, in terms of actual opposition David Diaz offers a tougher opposition to both PAC and JMM than Casa... Now analyze what will be the outcome of these match-ups;

PAC vs. Casa and JMM vs. David Diaz

I'm guessing David Diaz will survive a UD12 loss to JMM and Casa will be starched by PAC inside 6 rounds...

BTW if I remember it right PAC was also a 4 to 1 favorite over Diaz...

And one last note, David Diaz stopped the guy Santa Cruz who "defeated" Casamayor...
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