Boxrec make JMM No1 Lightweight. Who agrees?

[Kev]

That's right but at 130 & for the vacant Ring championship because they were rated at #1 & #2.

So how exactly does that make Pacquiao the champion at 135?

I'm not arguing that Pacquiao isn't arguably the better fighter but he ain't the champion! You can't rank #1 contender over the champion its just not logical!

I don't know if you follow rugby but over here in NZ its our national sport. Now South Africa are the world champions but the All Blacks are the best team in the world & have been considered the best for over a decade. But unfortunately no matter how much I dislike the fact the AB's have not been champs since '86!

Your argument falls short though here anyway Galaxy because the Ring belt isn't a real title either!

The Ring title is the equivilent of the All Blacks being considered the best team in the world, it's just a subjective ranking system it's not a real belt.

Katsidis said it best last year when he said he wanted Juan Diaz because he was the lightweight champ. When the interviewer said that Casamayor was the Ring champ Kats replied, 'yes but that's just a magazine'

In reality, and I keep going on about this, Marquez is merely the interim WBO champ whilst Paquaio holds the far more prestigious WBC belt.

Marquez may be the linear champ but in reality he doesn't even hold a real world title at 135.

So your comparison to the All Blacks actually works in reverse!

Casamayor was considered the liner champ, and Marquez bet him, but no title belt was on the line so in reality Marquez isn't even a world champ whereas Manny is the WBC lightweight champ.

Sorry Bilbo but the Ring championship has been around a hell of a lot longer than the alphabet fools! Ring mag created the rankings system & awarded championship belts since 1922!

I don't even recognize the alphabets. For you to say the Ring belt isn't a real title is fine cause that's your opinion but to myself & others the Ring belt is the only real championship & more prestigious than the ABC's! To me the alphabets aren't real! Anyone with enough money can create a sanctioning body so I can't see why you hold them in such high regard.

My reference to the AB's was to show that like Pacquiao they my be the best in the world but until they win the championship they're only #1 not the champions. South Africa will remain world champs until someone wins the next world cup just like Marquez will remain champion until he is beaten in the ring at 135!

Marquez is NOT a world champ at lightweight, Casa didn't have a belt when they fought.

The Ring belt is NOT a world championship belt. You may rate it more highly than a genuine title belt but it is still NOT a world title belt.

your analogy makes no sense as your arguing that South Africa are world champs because they won the official world title crown. Well Pacquaio holds an official world title crown but Marquez doesn't.

Furthermore Pacquaio beat Marquez only 6 months ago.

I agree that according to the Ring rankings Marquez should be champ, we are not arguing that at all, he's the Ring champ no question, he beat the linear champ, BUT in reality Pacquaio and Campbell are above him because A) they are both genuine world champions and hold world title belts whereas Marquez does not, and Campbell beat the best lightweight in the division in Juan Diaz. Pacquaio is the p4p worlds best AND beat Marquez so he the number 1 lightweight.

Again my rankings are NOT meant to be in accord with the Ring rankings but with reality.

1. Paquiao
2. Campbell
3. Marquez