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Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?
That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype
And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.
I agree 100% there was no way Margarito had a legit 8 mill offer unless his promoter was willing to put it out..and I doubt it....

Don't get me wrong this is not a one sided issue I was bringing up....There are plenty of fighters/promoters etc that make these claims...Hell they even make the offers publicly but when they sit at the negotiation table things change...All of a sudden that $8 mil offer turns into $2 mill and a percentage of buys if it does over a certain amount...or we will give $2 mill and a cash bonus right now of $500,000...or what ever the case may be.....

My whole point is and something this guy Clubber can not get through his head due to all his vast experience of reading Dan Rafael blogs is...This is a business...Promoters can not go around giving paydays like that whenthe risk for return is so high......

If such a fight with such and offer that was supposed in the Margarito/Mayweather offers and the PPV buys did horrible (and they would have because PBF was a terrible PPV draw and Tony unknown outside of boxing entusiast)...it would take the promoter a long time to recoup...Add to the fact if Margarito won there would be sanctioning fees to keep the title.....he would expect to be paid for his defenses in the future etc...none allowing the promoter to regain his money...add the expenses of his other fighters etc....

Yeah we as fans or in the media blast guys for not taking offers...or we blast them for turning down fights with certain people and we EXPECT them to fight just top prove something but there is a business side to this sport...

These guys fight for paydays...these guys need to have money to retire on...Promoters need to make more then a 2 percent profit on a bout...

To sum it up...as you said I agree about the supposed $8 mill offer to PBF it was not happening or PBF's promo company was expected to take up more of the promotional expenses to have the fight put on lowering the purse anyhow......

Money is thrown out there as a tool to entice opponents...it is used to put the media in a tangent...it is used to make someone look bad for not taking the bout....thing is the offer nis not always what it seems to be....

Unless you are Clubber reading Dan Rafael's blog then it has to be