+ Top 10 P4P from 135 and below +

[Violent Demise]

The way I do it is...
Who wins? Nonito wins, Montiel wins. = Even.
Skills: Montiels more skilled, Nonito = Nonito
Titles: Montiels holds the WBO title, Nonitos the unified champ. = Nonito
Opp: Montiels got better oppostions, Nonitos got better opp. = Montiel
Wins vs. Loses: Montiel, Nonito = Nonito.

Which is why I have Nonito rated higher...
It's the way I've always done my lists based by an all around look at the career.

So much wrong with this. How can you say Donaire is more skilled than Montiel? That's just laughable. Montiel was a brilliant boxer coming up. Now he's turning into a straight seek and destroy fighter. He can do it all. Donaire is skilled, no doubt. But not as much as Montiel. Montiel holds a WBO title. Donaire a IBF. Both crap titles. How the fukk you got Donaire being a unified champ is beyound me. As for W/L Montiel s losses. One by MD and the other by SD. Both of them and that bullshitt draw should of been wins for him. Donaire got 1 loss. Nobody ever seen it. So nobody can say it wasn't legit.

[CutMeMick]

The way I do it is...
Who wins? Nonito wins, Montiel wins. = Even.
Skills: Montiels more skilled, Nonito = Nonito
Titles: Montiels holds the WBO title, Nonitos the unified champ. = Nonito
Opp: Montiels got better oppostions, Nonitos got better opp. = Montiel
Wins vs. Loses: Montiel, Nonito = Nonito.

Which is why I have Nonito rated higher...
It's the way I've always done my lists based by an all around look at the career.

So much wrong with this. How can you say Donaire is more skilled than Montiel? That's just laughable. Montiel was a brilliant boxer coming up. Now he's turning into a straight seek and destroy fighter. He can do it all. Donaire is skilled, no doubt. But not as much as Montiel. Montiel holds a WBO title. Donaire a IBF. Both crap titles. How the fukk you got Donaire being a unified champ is beyound me. As for W/L Montiel s losses. One by MD and the other by SD. Both of them and that bullshitt draw should of been wins for him. Donaire got 1 loss. Nobody ever seen it. So nobody can say it wasn't legit.

For the record it was me who did it not JR...

You are right I thought Nonito had the WBO title that was my mistake it's the IBO. So I do have that wrong.

Now I never said this the RIGHT way to make a P4P list.
I said this is the way I do my P4P lists.

I do give the slight advantage to Nonito on the skills dept. just slightly because I feel Nonito has better handspeed and better foot movement. Everything else I feel they are even so for me advantage goes to Nonito just slightly.

I think the fact that Nonitos clearly #1 in his div. compared to Montiel whos either #1 or #2 in his div. gives him the edge because of the titles each holds.

I agree the loses were close at least I think they were. He gave Jhonny a brilliant fight giving up a lot of advantages.

As I said in my original post:
"- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around."

I mean look at Joan Guzman far more skilled then some guys above him but his lack of inactivity plus his last opponent kicks him down.
I think with Montiel his last 2 opponents put him down for me I could have been really hard on him.

I mean looking at your list I cant see how "Archi" Solis is rated that high then again I'm not sure how you came up with your list.
But regardless I still can't see him P4P better then Calderon.

[Violent Demise]

The way I do it is...
Who wins? Nonito wins, Montiel wins. = Even.
Skills: Montiels more skilled, Nonito = Nonito
Titles: Montiels holds the WBO title, Nonitos the unified champ. = Nonito
Opp: Montiels got better oppostions, Nonitos got better opp. = Montiel
Wins vs. Loses: Montiel, Nonito = Nonito.

Which is why I have Nonito rated higher...
It's the way I've always done my lists based by an all around look at the career.

So much wrong with this. How can you say Donaire is more skilled than Montiel? That's just laughable. Montiel was a brilliant boxer coming up. Now he's turning into a straight seek and destroy fighter. He can do it all. Donaire is skilled, no doubt. But not as much as Montiel. Montiel holds a WBO title. Donaire a IBF. Both crap titles. How the fukk you got Donaire being a unified champ is beyound me. As for W/L Montiel s losses. One by MD and the other by SD. Both of them and that bullshitt draw should of been wins for him. Donaire got 1 loss. Nobody ever seen it. So nobody can say it wasn't legit.

For the record it was me who did it not JR...

You are right I thought Nonito had the WBO title that was my mistake it's the IBO. So I do have that wrong.

Now I never said this the RIGHT way to make a P4P list.
I said this is the way I do my P4P lists.

I do give the slight advantage to Nonito on the skills dept. just slightly because I feel Nonito has better handspeed and better foot movement. Everything else I feel they are even so for me advantage goes to Nonito just slightly.

I think the fact that Nonitos clearly #1 in his div. compared to Montiel whos either #1 or #2 in his div. gives him the edge because of the titles each holds.

I agree the loses were close at least I think they were. He gave Jhonny a brilliant fight giving up a lot of advantages.

As I said in my original post:
"- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around."

I mean look at Joan Guzman far more skilled then some guys above him but his lack of inactivity plus his last opponent kicks him down.
I think with Montiel his last 2 opponents put him down for me I could have been really hard on him.

I mean looking at your list I cant see how "Archi" Solis is rated that high then again I'm not sure how you came up with your list.
But regardless I still can't see him P4P better then Calderon.

Montiel last 2 opponents were Rosas and Maldonado. Rosas was just a stay busy fight outside his weight class. Maldonado is a decent fighter. Montiel just straight destroyed him. Donaire last 2 opponents were the obscure Soth African Mthalane and the same Maldonado, Montiel faced. I don't see much difference other than Mthalane record I guess is more padded than Rosas. So I don't see why Montiel can be penalize for that.

I been studying Solis fights a lot recently. Which is why I rate him so highly. I like what I see. After watching his draw with Saldado and his loss to Dieppa I feel they should of been wins. So he really should be undefeated. His resume I feel is also better than Calderon's. Calderon I feel lost the first fight to Cazares and looked terrible and was lucky to get the win against Esquer. Calderon I feel is a lost waiting to happen. I see him losing very soon. Especially if he fights Solis

[CutMeMick]

Montiel last 2 opponents were Rosas and Maldonado. Rosas was just a stay busy fight outside his weight class. Maldonado is a decent fighter. Montiel just straight destroyed him. Donaire last 2 opponents were the obscure Soth African Mthalane and the same Maldonado, Montiel faced. I don't see much difference other than Mthalane record I guess is more padded than Rosas. So I don't see why Montiel can be penalize for that.

I didn't penalize Montiel over oppostion vs. Nonito.
I clearly stated that in a head to head battle I put:
"Opp: Montiels got better oppostions, Nonitos got better opp. = Montiel"

The oppostion hurt Montiel when compared to the rest of the guys.
Again I probably was hard on Montiel there and I can accept that.

I been studying Solis fights a lot recently. Which is why I rate him so highly. I like what I see. After watching his draw with Saldado and his loss to Dieppa I feel they should of been wins. So he really should be undefeated. His resume I feel is also better than Calderon's. Calderon I feel lost the first fight to Cazares and looked terrible and was lucky to get the win against Esquer. Calderon I feel is a lost waiting to happen. I see him losing very soon. Especially if he fights Solis

Here's how I see it head to head:

Who wins: Solis
Skills: Calderon
Opposition: Solis
Titles: Calderon
Loses vs. Wins: Calderon

The Esquer fight was def. not one of his best days...

[Violent Demise]

Montiel last 2 opponents were Rosas and Maldonado. Rosas was just a stay busy fight outside his weight class. Maldonado is a decent fighter. Montiel just straight destroyed him. Donaire last 2 opponents were the obscure Soth African Mthalane and the same Maldonado, Montiel faced. I don't see much difference other than Mthalane record I guess is more padded than Rosas. So I don't see why Montiel can be penalize for that.

I didn't penalize Montiel over oppostion vs. Nonito.
I clearly stated that in a head to head battle I put:
"Opp: Montiels got better oppostions, Nonitos got better opp. = Montiel"

The oppostion hurt Montiel when compared to the rest of the guys.
Again I probably was hard on Montiel there and I can accept that.

I been studying Solis fights a lot recently. Which is why I rate him so highly. I like what I see. After watching his draw with Saldado and his loss to Dieppa I feel they should of been wins. So he really should be undefeated. His resume I feel is also better than Calderon's. Calderon I feel lost the first fight to Cazares and looked terrible and was lucky to get the win against Esquer. Calderon I feel is a lost waiting to happen. I see him losing very soon. Especially if he fights Solis

Here's how I see it head to head:

Who wins: Solis
Skills: Calderon
Opposition: Solis
Titles: Calderon
Loses vs. Wins: Calderon

The Esquer fight was def. not one of his best days...

I can agree with all that. Always do like talking to you about the small weights. Hard to find decent discussions about them cuz not many people follow them.

[CutMeMick]

The one thing I do want if Solis vs. Calderon comes off is for it to be held on neutral grounds.

Not PR and Not Mexico.

[Violent Demise]

The one thing I do want if Solis vs. Calderon comes off is for it to be held on neutral grounds.

Not PR and Not Mexico.

Los Angeles would be great