Which is why Ali's victory was even more impressive because he had lost a couple of fights, was nearing the end of his career and was fighting the most powerful heavyweight ever.Originally Posted by Lyle
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
Which is why Ali's victory was even more impressive because he had lost a couple of fights, was nearing the end of his career and was fighting the most powerful heavyweight ever.
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What makes boxing great is that it's more than just about jabs and hooks. There's a huge mental aspect to the sport, that many fans ignore. Yeah, Ali held Foreman in the back of the head. And yeah, Foreman fought a dumb fight. But Foreman was a feared monster who had intimidated, then destroyed every fighter he ever met. He annihilated the great Joe Frazier in 2 (3?) short rounds (don't remember off hand). Whereas Ali was, as Master said, near the end of his career. His strategy was brilliant, the setting exotic (Zaire), the outcome unthinkable. And Ali didn't win a controversial decision. He knocked Big George OUT. So Lyle, give the man his due on this one, huh?Which is why Ali's victory was even more impressive because he had lost a couple of fights, was nearing the end of his career and was fighting the most powerful heavyweight ever.
Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lAZadiM4zg&NR=1
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Ali's win over Foreman was impressive but I just don't think it was his best or his flashiest.
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Neither was B-Hop's over Pavlik, but the fact that in both fights, the old man who wasn't given a shot in hell to win, came out and schooled the younger undefeated power puncher, it makes it that much more impressive
Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
I'm sorry I don't like "Rope-a-Dope" Ali....I think it's boring as fuck and in no way does it match up with this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUzl0aFHZw
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
I don't necessarily think there's a disagreement here. Technically, no way does the "Foreman" Ali compare with the "Cleveland Williams" Ali. (Remember, Ali was at his young peak then.) But in terms of boxing impact... no way does the Williams win compare with Ali's win over Foreman.
Anyway, and back to my original point.... Larry Holmes is an ass for calling Ali overrated. And I wish he'd try a comeback himself over Wladimir Klitschko. I'd buy ringside seats and truly enjoy the massacre.
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Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
Just a few quotes from the Easton Assasin.
"It's hard being black. You ever been black? I was black once - when I was poor."
"I came from a dirt farm, now I'm filthy rich."
"Don King doesn't care about black or white. He just cares about green."
“People think that I reached the top overnight; well, it took me fourteen years. I was twenty-nine before I really made it. I've had my jaws and hands broken. One arm is out of place. I've paid my dues in this business.”
“I don't want you guys to write, "Larry Holmes fought one too many."”
“All fighters are prostitutes and all promoters are pimps.”
"I decided to box my way out of the ghetto"
"There is no quit in me."
"King is an equal opportunity dirty bag, he screws everybody."
Re: And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week
No sense in being angry at the guy for speaking the truth...Ali is more personality than boxer.
Hey I know my opinion of Ali goes over like a fart in a diving helmet but I just think Ali's persona, charisma, and his cultural icon status tend gloss over any flaws he had as a fighter and a person.
No boxer is perfect, no boxer is unbeatable, and no boxer is as good as people think/assume Ali was.
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