My take on Froch - Taylor...

[chip]

im not convinced either he was totaly outclassed until about the 10th that was because Taylor slowed down. He should think himself very lucky
Taylor has always had dodgy stamina

[HattonTheHammer]

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

thats one hell of a dodgy scorecard if you ask me.

How the hell you managed to give the entire 2/3rds of the fight to taylor is completely beyond me.

through 8 i had froch winning at least 4 of the rounds and only behind on the fact taylor had a 10-8 in the bag.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

thats one hell of a dodgy scorecard if you ask me.

How the hell you managed to give the entire 2/3rds of the fight to taylor is completely beyond me.

through 8 i had froch winning at least 4 of the rounds and only behind on the fact taylor had a 10-8 in the bag.

dodgy how? Taylor dominated up to the 6th, 7th and 8th rounds Froch would start the action early and Taylor would come back in the second half of the round to once again pound Froch down, and dominate the second half of the round, Froch clearly won every round from the 9th on, so if Taylor WOULD HAVE made it out of the final round he would have won on my cards with a score of 8 rounds to 4, each with a KD

[BIG H]

don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

thats one hell of a dodgy scorecard if you ask me.

How the hell you managed to give the entire 2/3rds of the fight to taylor is completely beyond me.

through 8 i had froch winning at least 4 of the rounds and only behind on the fact taylor had a 10-8 in the bag.

dodgy how? Taylor dominated up to the 6th, 7th and 8th rounds Froch would start the action early and Taylor would come back in the second half of the round to once again pound Froch down, and dominate the second half of the round, Froch clearly won every round from the 9th on, so if Taylor WOULD HAVE made it out of the final round he would have won on my cards with a score of 8 rounds to 4, each with a KD

Froch would've had a 10-7 round 12, if Taylor had've made the end, which would've at least given him a draw imo.

[ElTerribleMorales]

thats one hell of a dodgy scorecard if you ask me.

How the hell you managed to give the entire 2/3rds of the fight to taylor is completely beyond me.

through 8 i had froch winning at least 4 of the rounds and only behind on the fact taylor had a 10-8 in the bag.

dodgy how? Taylor dominated up to the 6th, 7th and 8th rounds Froch would start the action early and Taylor would come back in the second half of the round to once again pound Froch down, and dominate the second half of the round, Froch clearly won every round from the 9th on, so if Taylor WOULD HAVE made it out of the final round he would have won on my cards with a score of 8 rounds to 4, each with a KD

Froch would've had a 10-7 round 12, if Taylor had've made the end, which would've at least given him a draw imo.

true about the 10-7 round but still on my card Taylor would have won 114-112, close enough and not out of the question if you ask me

[HattonTheHammer]

dodgy how? Taylor dominated up to the 6th, 7th and 8th rounds Froch would start the action early and Taylor would come back in the second half of the round to once again pound Froch down, and dominate the second half of the round, Froch clearly won every round from the 9th on, so if Taylor WOULD HAVE made it out of the final round he would have won on my cards with a score of 8 rounds to 4, each with a KD

Froch would've had a 10-7 round 12, if Taylor had've made the end, which would've at least given him a draw imo.

true about the 10-7 round but still on my card Taylor would have won 114-112, close enough and not out of the question if you ask me

I suppose if youve never seen guys like froch/calzaghe fight you can be misleaded into thinking that they lose rounds because they dont neccesarily throw the heaviest punches.

But for much of the fight and even rounds that carl lost he was the one on the front foot as opposed to taylor who was fighting in spurts.

There was at least 2/3 rounds that you either would of had to score from frochs all round dominance or taylors power punching....its tough to call

[BIG H]

Froch would've had a 10-7 round 12, if Taylor had've made the end, which would've at least given him a draw imo.

true about the 10-7 round but still on my card Taylor would have won 114-112, close enough and not out of the question if you ask me

I suppose if youve never seen guys like froch/calzaghe fight you can be misleaded into thinking that they lose rounds because they dont neccesarily throw the heaviest punches.

But for much of the fight and even rounds that carl lost he was the one on the front foot as opposed to taylor who was fighting in spurts.

There was at least 2/3 rounds that you either would of had to score from frochs all round dominance or taylors power punching....its tough to call

Yeh, very hard rounds to score, but I had Taylor probably 2 points up going into the last, so it was very close imo. Doesn't really matter now, coz Froch did the business in the end.

[HattonTheHammer]

true about the 10-7 round but still on my card Taylor would have won 114-112, close enough and not out of the question if you ask me

I suppose if youve never seen guys like froch/calzaghe fight you can be misleaded into thinking that they lose rounds because they dont neccesarily throw the heaviest punches.

But for much of the fight and even rounds that carl lost he was the one on the front foot as opposed to taylor who was fighting in spurts.

There was at least 2/3 rounds that you either would of had to score from frochs all round dominance or taylors power punching....its tough to call

Yeh, very hard rounds to score, but I had Taylor probably 2 points up going into the last, so it was very close imo. Doesn't really matter now, coz Froch did the business in the end.

too true

hope froch gets the credit for this though

he knocked out a far stronger, faster opponent through intelligence, a cool head and sheer determination!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

I suppose if youve never seen guys like froch/calzaghe fight you can be misleaded into thinking that they lose rounds because they dont neccesarily throw the heaviest punches.

But for much of the fight and even rounds that carl lost he was the one on the front foot as opposed to taylor who was fighting in spurts.

There was at least 2/3 rounds that you either would of had to score from frochs all round dominance or taylors power punching....its tough to call

Yeh, very hard rounds to score, but I had Taylor probably 2 points up going into the last, so it was very close imo. Doesn't really matter now, coz Froch did the business in the end.

too true

hope froch gets the credit for this though

he knocked out a far stronger, faster opponent through intelligence, a cool head and sheer determination!!

i give Froch full credit like i said in the other thread, i just would like to see a rematch

[Tam Seddon]

Yeh, very hard rounds to score, but I had Taylor probably 2 points up going into the last, so it was very close imo. Doesn't really matter now, coz Froch did the business in the end.

too true

hope froch gets the credit for this though

he knocked out a far stronger, faster opponent through intelligence, a cool head and sheer determination!!

i give Froch full credit like i said in the other thread, i just would like to see a rematch

Why? to see the exact same thing happen again ? Taylor cant take such pressure, he executed his perfect game plan and it didnt work. He doesnt have the stamina to beat Carl Froch. Taylor is through the more and more I think about it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

too true

hope froch gets the credit for this though

he knocked out a far stronger, faster opponent through intelligence, a cool head and sheer determination!!

i give Froch full credit like i said in the other thread, i just would like to see a rematch

Why? to see the exact same thing happen again ? Taylor cant take such pressure, he executed his perfect game plan and it didnt work. He doesnt have the stamina to beat Carl Froch. Taylor is through the more and more I think about it.

don't get ahead of yourself, it was a good win for Froch but he had NO ANSWER WHAT SO EVER for Taylor's jab, once Taylor stopped using the jab is when Froch was finally able to do anything, and Taylor pretty much broke the myth of Froch's granite chin, he has a very good chin but it's hardly granite, or iron, or even cement lol, Penalosa has a granite chin

[clintuk]

I think Taylor earnt a rematch but whether Froch takes it or not is debatable, especially when he has the opportunity to call out the other belt holders at SMW.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Taylor earnt a rematch but whether Froch takes it or not is debatable, especially when he has the opportunity to call out the other belt holders at SMW.

agree with you there, and Froch earned the right (especially taking his age into consideration) to try and get the most money available to him, but down the line i think Taylor should get his rematch

[gyrokai]

Froch, what a chin!

Taylor always starts in fantastic fashion. I would have had it for Froch, one point, had it gone to a decision. Those cards were wrong, but it's a good thing Froch is great enough to beat the judges and make his own ending of the fight.

Jermain was in one of the best shapes I've seen him. In the Pavlik fight, you could see he wasn't in the right frame of mind, that knockout was from his lack of focus outside and inside the ring.

BUT this knockout! Jermain took SO MANY RIGHT HANDS!!!! It makes you wonder and really know, how strong Jermain Taylor really is...
... He just ran into a real fighter.

Froch, Hopkins, and Calzaghe... the only real fighters in around this division. Kelly ... I actually thought he lost or at least had a draw with Taylor in the second fight.

Froch is just the real deal.

[RP33]

I suppose if youve never seen guys like froch/calzaghe fight you can be misleaded into thinking that they lose rounds because they dont neccesarily throw the heaviest punches.

But for much of the fight and even rounds that carl lost he was the one on the front foot as opposed to taylor who was fighting in spurts.

There was at least 2/3 rounds that you either would of had to score from frochs all round dominance or taylors power punching....its tough to call

Yeh, very hard rounds to score, but I had Taylor probably 2 points up going into the last, so it was very close imo. Doesn't really matter now, coz Froch did the business in the end.

too true

hope froch gets the credit for this though

he knocked out a far stronger, faster opponent through intelligence, a cool head and sheer determination!!

After taking the weekend off to cool down from this fight, this is my first post on this topic..

I would agree that he KO'd Taylor with a cool head and determination.. not with intelligence though.. If you're going to say that he waited until Jermain gassed out to KO him, then that isn't true.. He knew in the back of his mind that there was a strong possibility that it would happen, and then in the later, championship rounds, he would have his best chance to do so.. But it wasn't like he was trying to weather the storm until then, and then come on in th e end.. He went back to his corner in a number of rounds saying "i got that round", or "i have him", when he was being beat on throughout the round.. Froch's trainer was definitely trying to make Froch aware that he was losing rounds, and needed to fight NOW.. It wasn't a, "You lost that round, but he expended a lot of energy, conserve yours so you can come on strong i na round or two".. There was definitely a sense of urgency since the middle of the fight, and Froch was still losing rounds..

I can't take ANYTHING away from Froch in this fight, his strength won him the fight.. It was Taylor's fight to lose, and he blew it.. Even if it was a 10-7 round, Taylor would've won a SD according to the judges.. 16 seconds from beating an undefeated champion, and getting a belt back becoming world champion again..

To be honest, I don't really see how Froch fans can say, "That's exactly how i saw the fight going." While i can understand, that on paper, the fight probably went as many of you figured, with JT winning early rounds, then Froch KO'ing him.. But if you watched the fight, it was absolutely the only way for Froch to win.. with 16 seconds left, mind you.. I am not sure that's "exactly" what fans predicted..

Taylor has underrated power, but at 168, there are several significant harder hitters.. Froch is going to have a hard time beating the other top dogs in the division, IMO.. I think Kessler would jab him to death, and Pavlik would stalk him down and hurt him.. He could probably KO Bute and Andrade, but neither of those would be a lock.

As far as styles go, i see Kessler being a nightmare for Froch. Kessler does not take many risks, and really keeps his distance.. Froch/Pavlik would be a hell of a battle, though.

Props to Froch for keeping his cool and finishing his opponent under pressure..