Barrera is denied rematch...

[GAME]

Ok.. so if you're adamant you're going with the " of course he wouldn't of quit" excuse.. it should of been up to the corner to go " hey doc, pull our man out of there"... but they obviously thought Barrera could go on and win the match despite the cut.. so maybe you should be blaming Barrera's corner.

No I blame the referee. He made yet another terrible decision recently with Rogan . Dave Paris cant do his job anymore and shouldnt be allowed to keep making such stupid mistakes.

Barrera was the one who got cut from the headbut so he shouldnt be punished by being given a loss on his record. He couldnt continue because of the injury and the injury alone therefore I cant even to begin to understand the counter argument that Khan won fair and sqaure and doesnt need to give a rematch.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I love MAB with a passion and dislike khan but even i realise cut or no cut marco would of been stopped eventually

Bollocks would he have been stopped without the cut. Khan carries no power and flurries like a pansy.

Barrera would have knocked Khan out and would have been getting to him a lot earlier than he did were it not for that axe wound messing up his vision. It was a fluke win and the fact that Khan doesn't want a rematch speaks volumes about their confidence in doing it again.

Khan is a phony and a fake and will get shown up sooner rather than later. Meanwhile I hope Barrera comes back soon and gets in line for a shot at 135 before retiring.

An alternate way into Missys pants?

you can take them off now.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Can any of the Khan fans honestly say that if it was Amir who got headbutted in round 1 and was bleeding like that , then the fight would have been allowed to go on to round 5 just so they could get a winner?

Ofcourse not. Barrera was therefore unfairly treated and deserves a return regardless whether or npt people wana see it. How they can assume than Khan would have stoppe dhim anayway based on what they say I cant undertand because Barrera didnt have the luxury of vision yet Khan still couldnt hurt him. Khan was the only one hurt in that fight. DONT FALL FOR THE KHAN HYPE. He could never beat Barrera

Well even before the headbutt we were seeing signs that khan was too fast for him.. I know it was a short time but it was enough. Maybe MAB would of adapted over time... who knows. We can't change what's happened, and we can't say MAB would of won had he not been cut, anyone who says otherwise are clearly fan boys and are a bit bitter over their hero being beat by a supposedly fake fighter.

Why does Khan have to give him a rematch when he's getting ready to make a world title shot? Maybe after he beats Kotelnik he can consider it, if he doesn't have to fight a mandatory... but IMO any mid to top level figtht at 140 would be worth more to Khan than a second win over MAB, because thet's face it... if he beat MAB again, no cuts involved, he still wouldn't recieve credit.

then we might as well have 90 second fights. You moose

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Had the result been the other way round, Khan got nutted but wobbled Barrera, they let it go 5 and gave Barrera a win. Would there be calls for a rematch ? Ofcourse there would. It would be a massive controversy. A rematch wouldnt even be debated, it would just automatically happen so why isnt it happening in this case?

Thats the point we are making

The thing is.. how hard would it of been for MAB to simply say " I don't want to continue " or even his corner to do so.. it isn't 100% up to the referee or the doctor, it's just as important to the boxer and his corner. So I keep hearing " yeah but he's mexican... he would of gone on if both of his legs had been broken and his arm bit off". Well that's his fault then isn't it.. the referee (or was it the doctor?) had a long talk with him in the 3rd or 4th round and asked him if he wanted to continue, he said yes.. it's that simple.

Look at it this way, if you were about to get into a fight with someone twice as big as you, and your best friend is telling you not to fight, you shouldnt do it etc but you still do, then you get your ass handed to you.. then you cry to your friend " why did you let me fight "... this is same kinda situation. It isn't Khans fault. It isn't the referees fault. It's Marco's fault...

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for. Watch the replay when the doc finally looks at the cut. It's dripping off his face.
A week later on prizefighter a cut less severe than that resulted in the fight getting stopped in the same round. Not five rounds later.

It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

lol.. just got negged rep saying I should " tread lightly you nutless bastard "... so I guess this is how pissed off the barrera fanboys really are?

Seriously, you neg rep me because I have a different opinion than yours? I thought we were all suppose to be adults here.

No but you are likley to provoke a negative reaction with posts like this,

"Hahahahahahahaha... it makes me laugh so hard when I read your fan boy posts. I bet you were in tears on fight night, weren't you? Then I bet you said you wanted to 'knock out' some poor old Khan fan, all because he beat your legend boo-hoo. I've added plenty of 'meaningful' posts on the subject, and all you manage to do is speak typical fan boy bullshit and cry your eyes out".

[DatsiK]

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for.
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

How can you say that? In the last few years alone we've seen countless fights where either the boxer or his corner have told the ref they're not going to continue, for far less worse cuts and bruising... but I guess MAB and his corner are too 'mexican' to do that, right?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for.
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

How can you say that? In the last few years alone we've seen countless fights where either the boxer or his corner have told the ref they're not going to continue, for far less worse cuts and bruising... but I guess MAB and his corner are too 'mexican' to do that, right?

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

[DatsiK]

[quote=Howlin Mad Missy;738873]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[quote=JoeyUK;738880]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

and not even, the ref had already ruled the gash to be caused by an accidental headbutt, so as long as they would have thrown in the towel or refused to come out due to the cut, it would have been a NC, it's kinda like what Camacho Jr did against Leija, only thing is his was just swelling and the SOB waited till about the 5th to quit so that he'd get the W by scorecards

[mofo2]

lol.. just got negged rep saying I should " tread lightly you nutless bastard "... so I guess this is how pissed off the barrera fanboys really are?

Seriously, you neg rep me because I have a different opinion than yours? I thought we were all suppose to be adults here.

He Neg repped me for just having an alternative opinion aswell...He's a pretty sad bastard for that really!!

How does anyone on here debate anything if having an opinion that differs is given Neg Rep

[mofo2]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

[Gandalf]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

The truth is that we have NO way of knowing if Barrera is shot. Two fights where he was just trying to get rounds in against cab drivers and then the Khan forehead assault in less than a round. We have little to go on in these recent fights. But before that Barrera had given Marquez a great fight and then gone through the motions for 12 against Manny.

To say he is shot is harsh and a tad premature. I want to see Barrera back in the ring and quickly so we can all see for sure. Needs to be a top 10 LW.

[mofo2]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

The truth is that we have NO way of knowing if Barrera is shot. Two fights where he was just trying to get rounds in against cab drivers and then the Khan forehead assault in less than a round. We have little to go on in these recent fights. But before that Barrera had given Marquez a great fight and then gone through the motions for 12 against Manny.

To say he is shot is harsh and a tad premature. I want to see Barrera back in the ring and quickly so we can all see for sure. Needs to be a top 10 LW.

MAB has been an unquestionably Great fighter,but you look at him now and he has slowed considerably and is a shadow of his former self...maybe shot is harsh and I should have just said time to hangem up,but it does'nt hide the fact he is ageing and is at the end of his career!! I just hope he makes the decision to end it now and he does'nt end up another boxer clinging onto their career credibility because they could'nt let go!

[Fenster]

I agree with mofo

Even if the cut was a valid reason for his loss - he didn't look like a lightweight. He looked old, worryingly slow and has no power at the weight.

His days of fighting in the big league ended with the 2nd Pac loss. I'd rather not see Barrera get beat up again.