Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[ElTerribleMorales]

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98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

[Kev]

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. How is it that Maidana can take heavier punches from Kotelnik when Ortiz hits twice as hard as Kotelnik? It's not possible. That pretty much proves you didn't even see the fight.

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

[CFH]

[quote=Bilbo;754750]

nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

[ElTerribleMorales]

nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

[CFH]

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.

alright alright, i re-watched it and he was wobbly, his legs seemed a bit gone

[Diane]

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