Jones Jr vs Green

[Kev]

Define "world class". Danny Green is a decent fighter, but he's not world class in any way I've heard the term defined.

Well he's won one legit world title (WBA), should have won two when Beyer robbed him and he's won a couple IBO world titles.

If you have won a world title then by definition you must be world class, i.e he mixes with world class opposition.

He's not an elite fighter, and he's certainly not p4p but he's world class for sure, how could you be a world champ and not?

The sanctioning bodies and their champs/rankings are not always a legitimate representation of the talent of the divisions they rank.

So you would define "world class" as anyone who holds a championship belt?

Green is definitely world class in that he's one of the very best in his weight class, or has been in the past.

The Ring have had him in the top 4 or 5 at supermiddle before and he will likely crash the top 10 at crusierweight soon now he's come back.

He's a former world champ, how is he not world class?

Do you only count the best two fighters in a weight class world class? If so, what is elite?

[CFH]

Well he's won one legit world title (WBA), should have won two when Beyer robbed him and he's won a couple IBO world titles.

If you have won a world title then by definition you must be world class, i.e he mixes with world class opposition.

He's not an elite fighter, and he's certainly not p4p but he's world class for sure, how could you be a world champ and not?

The sanctioning bodies and their champs/rankings are not always a legitimate representation of the talent of the divisions they rank.

So you would define "world class" as anyone who holds a championship belt?

Green is definitely world class in that he's one of the very best in his weight class, or has been in the past.

The Ring have had him in the top 4 or 5 at supermiddle before and he will likely crash the top 10 at crusierweight soon now he's come back.

He's a former world champ, how is he not world class?

Do you only count the best two fighters in a weight class world class? If so, what is elite?

The term world class is vague and very subjective, hence why I asked you for your definition. Would I consider Danny Green a "world class" fighter? Not these days, in his prime I guess a case could be made. I guess it all depends on how you define the term. I've always considered Green to be an excellent domestic-level fighter. I was not a big boxing fan when he was in his prime though, so I'm not really qualified to argue about that.

When I think of "world class", I think of fighters who I perceive to be a step above fighters like Green.

[Kev]

The sanctioning bodies and their champs/rankings are not always a legitimate representation of the talent of the divisions they rank.

So you would define "world class" as anyone who holds a championship belt?

Green is definitely world class in that he's one of the very best in his weight class, or has been in the past.

The Ring have had him in the top 4 or 5 at supermiddle before and he will likely crash the top 10 at crusierweight soon now he's come back.

He's a former world champ, how is he not world class?

Do you only count the best two fighters in a weight class world class? If so, what is elite?

The term world class is vague and very subjective, hence why I asked you for your definition. Would I consider Danny Green a "world class" fighter? Not these days, in his prime I guess a case could be made. I guess it all depends on how you define the term. I've always considered Green to be an excellent domestic-level fighter. I was not a big boxing fan when he was in his prime though, so I'm not really qualified to argue about that.

When I think of "world class", I think of fighters who I perceive to be a step above fighters like Green.

Green is easily on the same level as guys such as Junior Witter, Paulie Malignaggi and Luis Collazo.

He's only ever lost to world champs, in fact only two men have ever beaten him, Marcus Beyer, a prime Beyer it has to be said and Green dominated him in the first fight flooring him 3 times with Beyer badly cut, but then the Germans jobbed him by disqualifying him to save Beyer.

The rematch Green inexplicably decided to box and lost a decision although he stepped it up in the last couple rounds and floored Beyer again.

Mundine beat him handily on points but he's the only man to do so.

I don't think it can be seriously argued that he hasn't been one of the best super middleweights over the past 5 or 6 years, and he was struggling to make weight I believe, hence the move to light heavyweight and now cruiser.

He's not an easy nights work for anybody, certainly not a 40 year old past his prime with suspect punch resistance.

It's a different fight altogether than Lacy and Sheika.

Should be a good'un.

[CFH]

Green is definitely world class in that he's one of the very best in his weight class, or has been in the past.

The Ring have had him in the top 4 or 5 at supermiddle before and he will likely crash the top 10 at crusierweight soon now he's come back.

He's a former world champ, how is he not world class?

Do you only count the best two fighters in a weight class world class? If so, what is elite?

The term world class is vague and very subjective, hence why I asked you for your definition. Would I consider Danny Green a "world class" fighter? Not these days, in his prime I guess a case could be made. I guess it all depends on how you define the term. I've always considered Green to be an excellent domestic-level fighter. I was not a big boxing fan when he was in his prime though, so I'm not really qualified to argue about that.

When I think of "world class", I think of fighters who I perceive to be a step above fighters like Green.

Green is easily on the same level as guys such as Junior Witter, Paulie Malignaggi and Luis Collazo.

He's only ever lost to world champs, in fact only two men have ever beaten him, Marcus Beyer, a prime Beyer it has to be said and Green dominated him in the first fight flooring him 3 times with Beyer badly cut, but then the Germans jobbed him by disqualifying him to save Beyer.

The rematch Green inexplicably decided to box and lost a decision although he stepped it up in the last couple rounds and floored Beyer again.

Mundine beat him handily on points but he's the only man to do so.

I don't think it can be seriously argued that he hasn't been one of the best super middleweights over the past 5 or 6 years, and he was struggling to make weight I believe, hence the move to light heavyweight and now cruiser.

He's not an easy nights work for anybody, certainly not a 40 year old past his prime with suspect punch resistance.

It's a different fight altogether than Lacy and Sheika.

Should be a good'un.

He hasn't even fought at SMW since 2006, over three years ago. I'm not arguing that he's not a very good fighter, but I really think you're overstating it a bit. He hasn't been a relevant fighter above the domestic level for some time.

I hope he knocks Jones cold though.

[Kev]

The term world class is vague and very subjective, hence why I asked you for your definition. Would I consider Danny Green a "world class" fighter? Not these days, in his prime I guess a case could be made. I guess it all depends on how you define the term. I've always considered Green to be an excellent domestic-level fighter. I was not a big boxing fan when he was in his prime though, so I'm not really qualified to argue about that.

When I think of "world class", I think of fighters who I perceive to be a step above fighters like Green.

Green is easily on the same level as guys such as Junior Witter, Paulie Malignaggi and Luis Collazo.

He's only ever lost to world champs, in fact only two men have ever beaten him, Marcus Beyer, a prime Beyer it has to be said and Green dominated him in the first fight flooring him 3 times with Beyer badly cut, but then the Germans jobbed him by disqualifying him to save Beyer.

The rematch Green inexplicably decided to box and lost a decision although he stepped it up in the last couple rounds and floored Beyer again.

Mundine beat him handily on points but he's the only man to do so.

I don't think it can be seriously argued that he hasn't been one of the best super middleweights over the past 5 or 6 years, and he was struggling to make weight I believe, hence the move to light heavyweight and now cruiser.

He's not an easy nights work for anybody, certainly not a 40 year old past his prime with suspect punch resistance.

It's a different fight altogether than Lacy and Sheika.

Should be a good'un.

He hasn't even fought at SMW since 2006, over three years ago. I'm not arguing that he's not a very good fighter, but I really think you're overstating it a bit. He hasn't been a relevant fighter above the domestic level for some time.

I hope he knocks Jones cold though.

What do you mean he hasn't been relavent?

He won a lighthevyweight world title in December 07, was rated in the top 5 light heavies and then retired!

He didn't come back until April of this year and has won both of his comeback fights by knockout.

Do you not regard Floyd Mayweather as world class anymore as his last fight was before Green won his world title at 175?

He's a dangerous fighter, absolutely world class, he fought for a world title twice at super middle, got beat fair and square once but robbed in his other shot, and then he went up to 175 and won a world title.

He's never been beaten up, never been in any real draining wars and although 36 has only had 30 fights and there's not too much wear on him.

In my book that makes him world class. Not elite or p4p, not close, but he's definitely a world class operator, and has fought at the highest level for some time.

[CFH]

Green is easily on the same level as guys such as Junior Witter, Paulie Malignaggi and Luis Collazo.

He's only ever lost to world champs, in fact only two men have ever beaten him, Marcus Beyer, a prime Beyer it has to be said and Green dominated him in the first fight flooring him 3 times with Beyer badly cut, but then the Germans jobbed him by disqualifying him to save Beyer.

The rematch Green inexplicably decided to box and lost a decision although he stepped it up in the last couple rounds and floored Beyer again.

Mundine beat him handily on points but he's the only man to do so.

I don't think it can be seriously argued that he hasn't been one of the best super middleweights over the past 5 or 6 years, and he was struggling to make weight I believe, hence the move to light heavyweight and now cruiser.

He's not an easy nights work for anybody, certainly not a 40 year old past his prime with suspect punch resistance.

It's a different fight altogether than Lacy and Sheika.

Should be a good'un.

He hasn't even fought at SMW since 2006, over three years ago. I'm not arguing that he's not a very good fighter, but I really think you're overstating it a bit. He hasn't been a relevant fighter above the domestic level for some time.

I hope he knocks Jones cold though.

What do you mean he hasn't been relavent?

He won a lighthevyweight world title in December 07, was rated in the top 5 light heavies and then retired!

He didn't come back until April of this year and has won both of his comeback fights by knockout.

Do you not regard Floyd Mayweather as world class anymore as his last fight was before Green won his world title at 175?

He's a dangerous fighter, absolutely world class, he fought for a world title twice at super middle, got beat fair and square once but robbed in his other shot, and then he went up to 175 and won a world title.

He's never been beaten up, never been in any real draining wars and although 36 has only had 30 fights and there's not too much wear on him.

In my book that makes him world class. Not elite or p4p, not close, but he's definitely a world class operator, and has fought at the highest level for some time.

He beats Drews and then retired. Aside from that fight he hadn't fought anyone of note since Mundine and he retired right after he won the belt. He's had one fight of any consequence (on an international stage) since 2006; he retired afterwards without fighting any siginificant fights. How was he relevant?

[OumaFan]

I'd watch. Don't see any reason to get real excited but I'd watch.

[Spicoli]

Pointless really.This is manufactured.Well at least ol Roy has not turned to 'wrastlin to make his coin yet.

[ICB]

I think RJJ would beat Danny Green, similar to how Anthony Mundine did it. Based on there styles being somewhat similar. But i do think Danny Green has been unlucky.

As Bilbo said he was very unlucky twice against Markus Beyer, and in reality probably should of won both fights. His only real true loss was too Anthony Mundine, who i think is very skilled although he hasn't took any risks in quite sometime which is disappointing.

I don't know if he is world class though, and i don't think just because you win a world title. It means it automatically makes you world class either, i mean Gavin Rees won a world title does anyone consider Gavis Rees world class ?

I mean would Danny Green beat any of the top fighters, at Light Heavyweight ? guys like Tavoris Cloud, Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Bernard Hopkins, Zsolt Erdei, Jean Pascal, RJJ, Antonio Tarver ?

To be world class you have to be able to beat the top fighters, in the division and i don't think Danny Green could. I think he's a solid fighter who deserves a break, but im really not sure about him being world class.

I mean he's beaten guys like Eric Lucas, and thats another fighter who won a world title and made a few defenses. But again i don't think he was world class either, and he was lucky he got a shot against a pretty weak champion.

And the same with Markus Beyer again he won a world title, but when i watch him do i consider him elite ? no i don't alot of different things come into it. Like how strong a division is, who they won there title off ETC. And lets be honest the Super Middleweight division has been weak for sometime.

Since Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, all retired. The top American fighters only briefly stayed there and moved up, can you imagine if fighters like James Toney, RJJ, stayed at Super Middleweight ? or even if Bernard Hopkins had moved up.

Do you think fighters like Markus Beyer, Eric Lucas, would even stand a chance at winning a belt ? no they wouldn't there solid fighters but not world class fighters. Who picked up belts because the division was weak.

[Kev]

I think RJJ would beat Danny Green, similar to how Anthony Mundine did it. Based on there styles being somewhat similar. But i do think Danny Green has been unlucky.

As Bilbo said he was very unlucky twice against Markus Beyer, and in reality probably should of won both fights. His only real true loss was too Anthony Mundine, who i think is very skilled although he hasn't took any risks in quite sometime which is disappointing.

I don't know if he is world class though, and i don't think just because you win a world title. It means it automatically makes you world class either, i mean Gavin Rees won a world title does anyone consider Gavis Rees world class ?

I mean would Danny Green beat any of the top fighters, at Light Heavyweight ? guys like Tavoris Cloud, Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Bernard Hopkins, Zsolt Erdei, Jean Pascal, RJJ, Antonio Tarver ?

To be world class you have to be able to beat the top fighters, in the division and i don't think Danny Green could. I think he's a solid fighter who deserves a break, but im really not sure about him being world class.

I mean he's beaten guys like Eric Lucas, and thats another fighter who won a world title and made a few defenses. But again i don't think he was world class either, and he was lucky he got a shot against a pretty weak champion.

And the same with Markus Beyer again he won a world title, but when i watch him do i consider him elite ? no i don't alot of different things come into it. Like how strong a division is, who they won there title off ETC. And lets be honest the Super Middleweight division has been weak for sometime.

Since Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, all retired. The top American fighters only briefly stayed there and moved up, can you imagine if fighters like James Toney, RJJ, stayed at Super Middleweight ? or even if Bernard Hopkins had moved up.

Do you think fighters like Markus Beyer, Eric Lucas, would even stand a chance at winning a belt ? no they wouldn't there solid fighters but not world class fighters. Who picked up belts because the division was weak.

This makes no sense whatsoever. By definition the best fighters in any division at any one time are world class. How can they not be?

If you have fought for world titles and operated on the world stage then you have to be world class, else what class are they fighting in?

Green has done far more in his career than Gavin Rees, as you yourself said he's been in with at least 4 world champs and beaten two.

If he's not world class what about guys like Urango, Malignaggi, Witter, Collazo, Berto, Andrade, Pascal etc?

Are none of them world class either?

World class does not equal p4p or elite, it just means they compete at the very highest level, championship fights, and can fight and win against top opposition.

Green has proven he can done that, not against the elite level but he's certainly strong enough to compete at a world stage and its frankly ridiculous to argue otherwise.

According to your logic no fighters are world class other than those in the to 20 p4p or so.

If can win world title and fight in 4 world title fights you are by definition world class, he's not fighting at domestic level, and he's not fighting at Commonwealth, or Pan Asian level. He's world class.

Is Scott Lawton domestic class considering there are many domestic fighters better than him? Should he be regional class? What about Thaxton, is he not domestic class anymore?

When you are winning world titles, and fighting at the world level you have to be world class because that's the class of fighter you are fighting in.

I expect Green could creep back into the Ring top 10 at light heavy or cruiserweight when their next ratings come out which again, by definition would be world class.

I just think sometimes you guys like to split hairs.

[skel1983]

Green will be make to look stupid, quite similar to the Lacy fight.

[rocky55]

this will be a nice treat to australian boxing fans

[THE THIRD MAN]

Roy Jones jr should beat Danny Green comfortably, Green is a good fighter but often lacks a plan B as was the case in the 2nd Beyer fight and in his loss to Mundine. He was outboxed by both fighters in those losses and failed to come up with anything at all to prevent the inevitable by mid fight.
He can punch real hard and that is a big plus in this fight as Jones jr does not want to feel the power of Green, i think Green has the hardest straight jab in boxing. Jones is to talented to lose this one though.

[bobby beck]

I dont know I think Green has a real chance! The ? to me is Roy toast

[nyc champ]

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