Cotto vs Chop Chop Corley

[josef4334]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

[The Boxer]

You said a lot but you still didn't give me any me any examples of how Cotto is a completey different fighter at 147.

I'm not claiming that cotto hasn't looked better at 147. IMO cotto looked the best i've ever saw him when he fought Margarito. Even though he lost Cotto did things that i didn't know he could do. Still over all i don't feel like he is a completley different fighter at 147. Now if he boxed the way he did against Margarito in every fight a 147 then i would agree, but he hasn't. Yes Cotto has made some changes but he's still largely the same fighter. IMO the fight with Margarito showed the depth of his skills. So it's not that i'm blind, but instead that i'm not blinded by my fanhood for Cotto.


Also I'm not saying PAC beats Cotto. Personaly i think Cotto is being written off. All i'm saying is i think it's possible for PAC to hurt Cotto but at the same time Cotto could definetly time PAC when he jumps in the way he does. Also if we go by what someone said early about how chop chop hurting cotto had a lot to do with Cotto being weight drained than don't you think it's possible that PAC could hurt Cotto since the fight is at a catch weight. Myself i'm 50/50 on who wins this fight right now.

[ElTerribleMorales]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

first off, Pacquiao wasn't knocked down by body shots, he was knocked the fuck out by body shots, and you need to learn sarcasm buddy, i said that using the same retarded logic that Corley (a southpaw) hurt Cotto, means that Pacquiao will, is the same as saying that seeing how Pacquiao was brutally stopped twice to the body, Cotto (the best body puncher today) will destroy him

i think Cotto's gonna beat his ass, but not cause of his two early TKO losses, i think he's going to lose cause he's not fighting a bum who got a gift decision (Diaz), a weight drained shot fighter (DLH), or a guy who although physically in good shape is horribly limited and fought a completely stupid fight (Hatton), he's fighting a strong natural welterweight who isn't shot, if Manny proves me wrong he deserves all the credit in the world, as i said when he beat Hatton

[JonnyFolds]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

To be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.

[holmcall]

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

To be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.

Manny was stopped by a body shot and was totally drained going into that fight with 3-K Battery M. He also was a midget. I think it's fair to say that that was then and this is now, just as it's fair tio say Cotto was somewhat drained when he fought Torres.