Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!

[JazMerkin]

...is this all it takes for Brits to get whipped up in a frenzy about a fighter

Haye is going to get demolished by Wladimir

That maybe so.

But 3 inches, 20lb, china-chin, questionable heart and the fact he's been ko'd by journeymen gives Haye a far greater chance of the KO.

It's impossible to not agree, right?

Haye also got KO'd by a journey man (actually I dont even think the guy that KOd Haye could be considered a journeyman, more like a nobody)......

Haye doesnt hit any harder than the other top 10 heavyweights Wlad has been KOing over the last few years..........Wlad hasnt been hurt or buzzed in his last 8 fights, most against universally recognized top ten HWs but he has a china chin? You need stop writing non sense on this website and start actually watching fights.

You mean Carl Thompson, a former British, International, European & most crucially world Cruiserweight champion?? He also beat Chris Eubank twice. When he beat Haye, Haye had been fighting as a professional just over 18 months.

If you want to talk about journeymen, talk about Ross Purrity who KO'd Wlad (a pro a similar level of time comparatively to Haye) & had been beaten in 3 of his 4 previous fights. He never even got near a world title & at the time had lost over a third of his fights.

What does this tell us about Wlad?? Absolutely jack shit, he's a very accomplished fighter & extremely underrated in some quarters. But, the same goes for Haye & his defeat came against a stronger & more credible opponent.

Wlad is a far better fighter than most people give him credit for & its credit he deserves in light of how he dismantled Chagaev & how good a fighter he now is, but when you take Haye's speed into account & that he buzzed Valuev big, you have to admit he must hit pretty hard. Certainly harder than Chagaev & probably Ibragimov.