Ikariam
You are insane buddy. You people will keep claiming he's the greatest of all time naming him ahead of Duran, Ali, etc. I've got news for the fanboys, if the real top 5 ATGs had two decisions like that, they would've given their opponent the trilogy, at least fought until there was a clear winner. Pac lost the first fight - he gets the draw. Then he was beaten even worse in the second - give him the win. All hardcore boxing fans, even the realistic Pac fans know it. Of course he ducked the third fight. Maybe he'll give JMM another shot at 147 when he turns 40
FACT - A judge scored Williams 119-111 in his fight against Martinez last weekend. Just because that happened does that mean it's right?
LOL. Whose insane now buddy. You can always make claims about Pac ducking marquez or ducking any fighter but truth of the matter is, Pac wants Marquez more than any other now aside from Mayweather and........ Pac hasn't ducked anyone! He fights whoever is put in front of him.
Why would he be afraid of Marquez and not be afraid of Cotto? Just making some analogy for you to understand better.![]()
Ikariam
I'm starting to think that this is a useless endeavor. If Pac gets knocked out on March 13th, you'll say that he just decided to take a nap mid-fight.
I'll lay it down simply for you. No analogies or anything. He fought Cotto last month. His last fight with Marquez was in March 2008. He had plenty of time between then to have a 3rd fight. There are plenty of post-fight interviews, etc showing he wanted no part of Marquez after the 2nd fight, while Marquez would've been stoked to fight him. Simple enough?
Ikariam
Ok, that doesn't even make any sense. I was saying he could've given Marquez the trilogy INSTEAD of fighting someone like Diaz or DLH, etc.
Uhhhg. I'm done with this thread. This is simply a waste of time. Call me a Pac-hater or whatever you like... I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
Because you're afraid to accept some reasons.
First, after the Marquez fight, Pac had to fight a less difficult fight. Diaz was there for the taking. Pac deserved it. He has been into wars with Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
DLH called him out. It was a dream fight for Pac coz of DLH's popularity and money that it will generate him. He could not turn down that fight.
Next, his fight with Hatton was supposed to be his most difficult fight as Hatton has been unbeaten in 140. He was also gunning for a title in 140. Hatton was the man there but it turned out to be an easy fight. Pac's not to blame.
Next came Cotto who was considered to be one of the best in the welterweight division.And you know what happened.
Where's the ducking there?
Yes you're talking to a brickwall coz you don't accept reasons.
Ikariam
I watched the fight on a stream and scored 2 rounds wrong, which i corrected then i had the correct score. And scored it properly after watching it in good quality many times i might add.
Well its not fact if i don't think he did, is that your only argument that the judges scored it for Manny Pacquiao ? people always use that argument, and can't say themselves why they think a certain fighter won.
Now in no way am i putting JMM vs Manny Pacquiao fights, in the same league regarding controversy to Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield 1, but that fight was a draw. Now technically its a fact it was a draw and you can't change that.
But that doesn't stop people from thinking Lennox Lewis won, and what im saying is just because technically Manny Pacquiao won the decision. Doesn't mean i have to agree with it does it ? and many boxing experts did have JMM winning so im not the only one, and i think a majority of people on the site had JMM winning.
As for Manny Pacquiao himself did i not give him credit for beating Miguel Cotto ? where have i discredited him here ?
I think he's a great/exciting fighter who's improved alot, and i have alot of respect for him. But that doesn't mean i have to agree that he won vs JMM just because the judges said he won, because the thing is with boxing its so subjective expecially regarding scoring. And many people have different views and opinions.
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