Clottey v. Pacquiao

[milmascaras1]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

[mad_takamura]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Morales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.
I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.

[Taeth]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Morales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.
I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.

Comparing PAcquiao's defensive skills to Calderon's is laughable, the biggest problem OScar had with Pacquiao was footspeed, and the fact he never threw a legitimate jab the whole night, it was a distance finder the entire fight. Marquez, Morales, Cotto, and Marquez all landed their jabs on PAcquiao with ease and regularity. The problem is none of them are great and hitting and not being hit which is something Clottey is better at, and Mayweather is the master of, unfortunately Clottey is too much of a sitting target who doesn't throw enough punches.

[miron_lang]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

[hitmanhatton]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it

style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that

[salty trunks]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it

style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that

Thats correct especially using the examples of fighters that dont really fight anything like Clottey. He has a weapon thats a much bigger factor than his lack of action and thats his good stiff jab which has given Pac problems in the past, along with a much tighter defense.
Remember what Vernon Forrest said when he completely dismantled Shane Mosley? Beat him with a basic jab. Good jab and keeping the fight at the right distance offsets all that speed and fast punching, (not that Im comparing Clottey to Forrest)

[15rounder]

In my opinion, Clottey wins the first 2, maybe 3 rounds, then gets complacent like he always does. After that, the relentless pacman assault takes over.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

[hitmanhatton]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

[Master]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

[15rounder]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

[hitmanhatton]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

no he doesnt, give me an example of when he has adjusted mid fight ? against morales he had no answers for the jab, cotto changed what he was doing and abandoned the jab ..... thats what the difference was not these so called adjustments

[milmascaras1]

hitmanhatton,

i also noticed cotto's early success using his jab. it wasn't anything pacquiao did why cotto abandoned it (jab).

[mad_takamura]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

He might but hopefully he won't so we can see a legit result with no excuses.

[mad_takamura]

When the odds makers pick pac against clottey if this fight happens then you know that I'm right. Coz i think pac would be the favorite here. Would they bet money to lose? They analyze too. scrutinizing both fighters. to bet their millions. or hundreds or thousands. But this is hypothehtical. yet most likely. Not basing on pac's popularity and how he finished his previous fights though. It's in their styles and what they bring to the table.

Clottey's effective jabbing won't frustrate manny. unless he boxes with that jab like how cotto did on rnd 10 to survive. Any fighter who fights in a back foot against manny may succeed but sooner or later pac would catch up with them because of his aggressiveness workrate nd great stamina. unless he counters well like jmm. But is josh as good as jmm meaning exactly on the same level of counter punching effectiveness as jmm? Yes or no? If the answer is no then pac would beat him.

Also punch resistance. Who can take the punches more. pac or clottey? Pac proved he can take the punch of a strong puncher in cotto. Pac would not trade with clottey but rather he will go around clottey in flurries too.

Styles makes fights. Then please describe clottey's style for me? A bigger guy who is effective in jabs.(like hoya) clear power. good counter puncher. But who will get in first? Pac starts frantically. he is a fire starter. His speed will tell the difference in this fight. The real question here is: " does clottey have to outbox money to win?" Slug it out with money? I don't think so. Manny is hit and get back outside. hit and get back outside. Counters to the body won't do because he no longer have that weakness just like ages ago and his work rate and speed will still spell the difference. Remember their is power with those fast hands!
Manny is not the same as a lot of the little guys: he has power and movement speed to frustrate as well. The bigger guy will be slower. except i guess pbf (the only guy in the higher weights)who can match pac's speed. If you can't catch pac well with a well timed counter (jmm) or a power shot (cotto) counter. then pac might catch you with at least one power shot from his flurries to cut you piece by piece. eventually. Now on this highlight. expound if clottey ever has a chance. Believe me pac would get away from clottey's flurry in the exchange then start up again. Clottey is that slow even on reaction time and post reaction time after an exchange. If he's slower. no matter how powerful he is. he will be defeated. And i stand by my prediction here that pac would be the first guy to dominate and toy with him. Here i'll bookmark this thread for future bets. Anyone who'll step up with the challenge is welcome.