Clottey v. Pacquiao

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

[hitmanhatton]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

[Master]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

[15rounder]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

[hitmanhatton]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

no he doesnt, give me an example of when he has adjusted mid fight ? against morales he had no answers for the jab, cotto changed what he was doing and abandoned the jab ..... thats what the difference was not these so called adjustments

[milmascaras1]

hitmanhatton,

i also noticed cotto's early success using his jab. it wasn't anything pacquiao did why cotto abandoned it (jab).

[salty trunks]

The jab worked well to get him close but the price he was paying for getting close was far greater than the damage he was doing with his jab.

Manny just beat him up inside and in the angles as he moved out, around, and away. You saw when he tried to box at distance later in the fight it was pretty ineffective.

[mad_takamura]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

He might but hopefully he won't so we can see a legit result with no excuses.

[mad_takamura]

When the odds makers pick pac against clottey if this fight happens then you know that I'm right. Coz i think pac would be the favorite here. Would they bet money to lose? They analyze too. scrutinizing both fighters. to bet their millions. or hundreds or thousands. But this is hypothehtical. yet most likely. Not basing on pac's popularity and how he finished his previous fights though. It's in their styles and what they bring to the table.

Clottey's effective jabbing won't frustrate manny. unless he boxes with that jab like how cotto did on rnd 10 to survive. Any fighter who fights in a back foot against manny may succeed but sooner or later pac would catch up with them because of his aggressiveness workrate nd great stamina. unless he counters well like jmm. But is josh as good as jmm meaning exactly on the same level of counter punching effectiveness as jmm? Yes or no? If the answer is no then pac would beat him.

Also punch resistance. Who can take the punches more. pac or clottey? Pac proved he can take the punch of a strong puncher in cotto. Pac would not trade with clottey but rather he will go around clottey in flurries too.

Styles makes fights. Then please describe clottey's style for me? A bigger guy who is effective in jabs.(like hoya) clear power. good counter puncher. But who will get in first? Pac starts frantically. he is a fire starter. His speed will tell the difference in this fight. The real question here is: " does clottey have to outbox money to win?" Slug it out with money? I don't think so. Manny is hit and get back outside. hit and get back outside. Counters to the body won't do because he no longer have that weakness just like ages ago and his work rate and speed will still spell the difference. Remember their is power with those fast hands!
Manny is not the same as a lot of the little guys: he has power and movement speed to frustrate as well. The bigger guy will be slower. except i guess pbf (the only guy in the higher weights)who can match pac's speed. If you can't catch pac well with a well timed counter (jmm) or a power shot (cotto) counter. then pac might catch you with at least one power shot from his flurries to cut you piece by piece. eventually. Now on this highlight. expound if clottey ever has a chance. Believe me pac would get away from clottey's flurry in the exchange then start up again. Clottey is that slow even on reaction time and post reaction time after an exchange. If he's slower. no matter how powerful he is. he will be defeated. And i stand by my prediction here that pac would be the first guy to dominate and toy with him. Here i'll bookmark this thread for future bets. Anyone who'll step up with the challenge is welcome.

[hitmanhatton]

When the odds makers pick pac against clottey if this fight happens then you know that I'm right. Coz i think pac would be the favorite here. Would they bet money to lose? They analyze too. scrutinizing both fighters. to bet their millions. or hundreds or thousands. But this is hypothehtical. yet most likely. Not basing on pac's popularity and how he finished his previous fights though. It's in their styles and what they bring to the table.

Clottey's effective jabbing won't frustrate manny. unless he boxes with that jab like how cotto did on rnd 10 to survive. Any fighter who fights in a back foot against manny may succeed but sooner or later pac would catch up with them because of his aggressiveness workrate nd great stamina. unless he counters well like jmm. But is josh as good as jmm meaning exactly on the same level of counter punching effectiveness as jmm? Yes or no? If the answer is no then pac would beat him.

Also punch resistance. Who can take the punches more. pac or clottey? Pac proved he can take the punch of a strong puncher in cotto. Pac would not trade with clottey but rather he will go around clottey in flurries too.

Styles makes fights. Then please describe clottey's style for me? A bigger guy who is effective in jabs.(like hoya) clear power. good counter puncher. But who will get in first? Pac starts frantically. he is a fire starter. His speed will tell the difference in this fight. The real question here is: " does clottey have to outbox money to win?" Slug it out with money? I don't think so. Manny is hit and get back outside. hit and get back outside. Counters to the body won't do because he no longer have that weakness just like ages ago and his work rate and speed will still spell the difference. Remember their is power with those fast hands!
Manny is not the same as a lot of the little guys: he has power and movement speed to frustrate as well. The bigger guy will be slower. except i guess pbf (the only guy in the higher weights)who can match pac's speed. If you can't catch pac well with a well timed counter (jmm) or a power shot (cotto) counter. then pac might catch you with at least one power shot from his flurries to cut you piece by piece. eventually. Now on this highlight. expound if clottey ever has a chance. Believe me pac would get away from clottey's flurry in the exchange then start up again. Clottey is that slow even on reaction time and post reaction time after an exchange. If he's slower. no matter how powerful he is. he will be defeated. And i stand by my prediction here that pac would be the first guy to dominate and toy with him. Here i'll bookmark this thread for future bets. Anyone who'll step up with the challenge is welcome.

so basically.... pac is invincible is what your saying..... i see

i like how you use dlh as the comparison regardless of the fact he was like a zombie that night and pac still couldnt hurt him

[mad_takamura]

When the odds makers pick pac against clottey if this fight happens then you know that I'm right. Coz i think pac would be the favorite here. Would they bet money to lose? They analyze too. scrutinizing both fighters. to bet their millions. or hundreds or thousands. But this is hypothehtical. yet most likely. Not basing on pac's popularity and how he finished his previous fights though. It's in their styles and what they bring to the table.

Clottey's effective jabbing won't frustrate manny. unless he boxes with that jab like how cotto did on rnd 10 to survive. Any fighter who fights in a back foot against manny may succeed but sooner or later pac would catch up with them because of his aggressiveness workrate nd great stamina. unless he counters well like jmm. But is josh as good as jmm meaning exactly on the same level of counter punching effectiveness as jmm? Yes or no? If the answer is no then pac would beat him.

Also punch resistance. Who can take the punches more. pac or clottey? Pac proved he can take the punch of a strong puncher in cotto. Pac would not trade with clottey but rather he will go around clottey in flurries too.

Styles makes fights. Then please describe clottey's style for me? A bigger guy who is effective in jabs.(like hoya) clear power. good counter puncher. But who will get in first? Pac starts frantically. he is a fire starter. His speed will tell the difference in this fight. The real question here is: " does clottey have to outbox money to win?" Slug it out with money? I don't think so. Manny is hit and get back outside. hit and get back outside. Counters to the body won't do because he no longer have that weakness just like ages ago and his work rate and speed will still spell the difference. Remember their is power with those fast hands!
Manny is not the same as a lot of the little guys: he has power and movement speed to frustrate as well. The bigger guy will be slower. except i guess pbf (the only guy in the higher weights)who can match pac's speed. If you can't catch pac well with a well timed counter (jmm) or a power shot (cotto) counter. then pac might catch you with at least one power shot from his flurries to cut you piece by piece. eventually. Now on this highlight. expound if clottey ever has a chance. Believe me pac would get away from clottey's flurry in the exchange then start up again. Clottey is that slow even on reaction time and post reaction time after an exchange. If he's slower. no matter how powerful he is. he will be defeated. And i stand by my prediction here that pac would be the first guy to dominate and toy with him. Here i'll bookmark this thread for future bets. Anyone who'll step up with the challenge is welcome.

so basically.... pac is invincible is what your saying..... i see

i like how you use dlh as the comparison regardless of the fact he was like a zombie that night and pac still couldnt hurt him

Why did they stop the fight then? So you believe all the shit that hoya said that he's not hurt from pac's punches?

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!

[hitmanhatton]

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!

did you even watch the fight ? cotto him with a lot of very big shots that margarito walked through, and in my opinion this lead to him being taken out by mosley in a small way

regardless of the fact pac could take cottos shots they will have done damage... every fight you take shots like that lead you one step towards being ko'd if you continue to do it