Clottey v. Pacquiao

[miron_lang]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

[hitmanhatton]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it

style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that

[salty trunks]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it

style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that

Thats correct especially using the examples of fighters that dont really fight anything like Clottey. He has a weapon thats a much bigger factor than his lack of action and thats his good stiff jab which has given Pac problems in the past, along with a much tighter defense.
Remember what Vernon Forrest said when he completely dismantled Shane Mosley? Beat him with a basic jab. Good jab and keeping the fight at the right distance offsets all that speed and fast punching, (not that Im comparing Clottey to Forrest)

[15rounder]

In my opinion, Clottey wins the first 2, maybe 3 rounds, then gets complacent like he always does. After that, the relentless pacman assault takes over.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

yeah, too many pac fans seem to believe if one guy can do something ... pac can automatically do it better, cotto has one of the best jabs in boxing at the moment, he caught clottey sharp as he was coming in

pac's jab doesnt carry enough to do this

Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.

Cotto has more power than Pacquiao.

The difference in their fight was, Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's punches better than Cotto could take his.

How does Cotto have more power? Pacquiao's punches damage the face, badly. The last several fights prove this. Look at Cotto last opponets, Paquiao, clottey, Margarito. They all basically walked through Cotto shots. No swelling, cuts, bruises, nothing. Pacquiao's last opponets. Cotto- swelled and busted up. ODLH bad swelling and bruising. Hatton no chance to find out. Diaz- looked like he was in a car wreck. You get my point.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

[hitmanhatton]

Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.

Cotto has more power than Pacquiao.

The difference in their fight was, Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's punches better than Cotto could take his.

How does Cotto have more power? Pacquiao's punches damage the face, badly. The last several fights prove this. Look at Cotto last opponets, Paquiao, clottey, Margarito. They all basically walked through Cotto shots. No swelling, cuts, bruises, nothing. Pacquiao's last opponets. Cotto- swelled and busted up. ODLH bad swelling and bruising. Hatton no chance to find out. Diaz- looked like he was in a car wreck. You get my point.

and that is a brilliant way to test power, thats volume of punches more than anything, and if were judging it like that... pac's ear was probably worse than any superficial injurys cotto sustained

[hitmanhatton]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

[Master]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

[15rounder]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

[hitmanhatton]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

no he doesnt, give me an example of when he has adjusted mid fight ? against morales he had no answers for the jab, cotto changed what he was doing and abandoned the jab ..... thats what the difference was not these so called adjustments

[milmascaras1]

hitmanhatton,

i also noticed cotto's early success using his jab. it wasn't anything pacquiao did why cotto abandoned it (jab).

[salty trunks]

The jab worked well to get him close but the price he was paying for getting close was far greater than the damage he was doing with his jab.

Manny just beat him up inside and in the angles as he moved out, around, and away. You saw when he tried to box at distance later in the fight it was pretty ineffective.

[hitmanhatton]

The jab worked well to get him close but the price he was paying for getting close was far greater than the damage he was doing with his jab.

Manny just beat him up inside and in the angles as he moved out, around, and away. You saw when he tried to box at distance later in the fight it was pretty ineffective.

im pretty sure the jab is a long range shot ...... so i cant understand what the first bit is all about,

later on in the fight cotto had already been knocked down and was cut... so i wouldnt have expect much success at that point in the fight

fact of the matter is cotto threw himself into the way of manny's shots thinking he would be able to walk through them

and if he is so good at stopping the jab... why didnt he do this to marquez?

[salty trunks]

The jab worked well to get him close but the price he was paying for getting close was far greater than the damage he was doing with his jab.

Manny just beat him up inside and in the angles as he moved out, around, and away. You saw when he tried to box at distance later in the fight it was pretty ineffective.

im pretty sure the jab is a long range shot ...... so i cant understand what the first bit is all about,

later on in the fight cotto had already been knocked down and was cut... so i wouldnt have expect much success at that point in the fight

fact of the matter is cotto threw himself into the way of manny's shots thinking he would be able to walk through them

and if he is so good at stopping the jab... why didnt he do this to marquez?

The jab is a long range shot to bring you into range to setup your other punches wouldnt you agree? I think he used the jab with success as a way to get in close to throw his other shots but thats where it ended.
I think he eventually started to come in without a jab thinking he could land power punches that way.
Why Manny didnt do it to Marquez is because Marquez is more difficult to counter and hit cleanly than Cotto.