Pacquiao possibly to retire after Clottey

[ross]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman

As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he

Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.

Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing

the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.

[killersheep]

Wasn't he supposed to start campaigning for political office directly after the Clottey fight? I haven't read the article, but that was why everything was rushed and had to be on a certain date right?

Have Pacquiao's political ambitions changed?

[djcione]

No, he's still running, but no guarantee that he'll win. He lost the last time

[InTheNeutralCorner]

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Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman

Because of his political ambition in the Philippines, he was in a hurry to have a fight by March. Since the negotiation, and later arbitration, for their megafight failed, then he had to move on. Who then was the next best fighter available? Not Mosley because he was still scheduled to fight Berto then.

As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he

You are making an accussation here. To be suspicious of Manny is logical, to accuse him without any evidence is not.

Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.

I would not even want to comment with regards to what Roach said. He, sometimes, talk too much. But I admire him as a trainer.

Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing

You really think that the request was made for the fight to be fair. Is that what Floyd said or is that an assumption? When he can dictate the terms, did he made sure that their fight is fair and that he had no advantage?

the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.

But Manny did agree to the blood test. They will have to renegotiate again with regards to which protocol has to be followed. I just wish the Nevada Boxing Commission just demand the blood test and have all boxers follow their protocol.

[ross]

Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.

There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.

There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito

Manny agreed to random blood test up until 24 days before and immediately after the fight.

But Bradley has been fighting at the 140 lb weight division. Manny would be critized for asking Bradley to go up in weight. Give me another worthy opponent. And Margarito does not deserve to have his license back this early.

[knodaledge]

Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.

There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito

Manny agreed to random blood test up until 24 days before and immediately after the fight.

But Bradley has been fighting at the 140 lb weight division. Manny would be critized for asking Bradley to go up in weight. Give me another worthy opponent. And Margarito does not deserve to have his license back this early.

Then it isn't truly "random" is it?

If I tell you to pick a number between 5 and 15, can it be considered random? Random means with no order or plan.

& taking a test after the fight is a complete joke. The test is meant to prevent the cheater from stepping into the ring & potentially injuring someone.

[killersheep]

Good god, we're not gonna start another blood testing thread are we?

Some people, believe one side.............Some people, believe the other side.

NO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VIEWS!!

So let's get back to my question.

I understand he is considered a bit of a joke politically and lost pretty bad last time, BUT what if he wins the election? It seems that boxing fans are writing this off as a foregone conclusion he's going to lose. Someone's got to win and in politics anything can happen.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Good god, we're not gonna start another blood testing thread are we?

Some people, believe one side.............Some people, believe the other side.

NO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VIEWS!!

So let's get back to my question.

I understand he is considered a bit of a joke politically and lost pretty bad last time, BUT what if he wins the election? It seems that boxing fans are writing this off as a foregone conclusion he's going to lose. Someone's got to win and in politics anything can happen.

I agree with you that this should have already been a dead topic. But people keeps bringing it up and I feel the urge to bring up the other side of the story. This forum should be seen as balanced, is it not? To the other posters, give the blood test issue a rest and you won't be hearing from me. They moved on so we must move on.

You have a good question there. What if Pacquiao wins the election, what happens to his boxing career?

[Nameless]

Good god, we're not gonna start another blood testing thread are we?

Some people, believe one side.............Some people, believe the other side.

NO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VIEWS!!

So let's get back to my question.

I understand he is considered a bit of a joke politically and lost pretty bad last time, BUT what if he wins the election? It seems that boxing fans are writing this off as a foregone conclusion he's going to lose. Someone's got to win and in politics anything can happen.

Honestly, I am not interested about the result of his elections, what matters to me is his boxing skills and what he can achieve on the ring. If he drops the floyd's fight for a matter of blood test, what I think is quite clear, no matter what: Legacy stained, though I wouldn't accuse him automatically of enhancing drug use.

[miron_lang]

Good god, we're not gonna start another blood testing thread are we?

Some people, believe one side.............Some people, believe the other side.

NO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VIEWS!!

So let's get back to my question.

I understand he is considered a bit of a joke politically and lost pretty bad last time, BUT what if he wins the election? It seems that boxing fans are writing this off as a foregone conclusion he's going to lose. Someone's got to win and in politics anything can happen.

BIG CHANCE That he wont win.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.

There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito

Manny agreed to random blood test up until 24 days before and immediately after the fight.

But Bradley has been fighting at the 140 lb weight division. Manny would be critized for asking Bradley to go up in weight. Give me another worthy opponent. And Margarito does not deserve to have his license back this early.

Then it isn't truly "random" is it?

If I tell you to pick a number between 5 and 15, can it be considered random? Random means with no order or plan.

& taking a test after the fight is a complete joke. The test is meant to prevent the cheater from stepping into the ring & potentially injuring someone.

But that is already above and beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission. Maybe if Floyd insisted on the blood test up until the fight, Manny might have agreed to a 14 days but we wouldn't know, would we? Maybe it's because Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand since he had no authority to dictate a new regulation. There are a lot of 'maybes' so I give Manny the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any credible evidence that he is using PEDs.

[knodaledge]

Manny agreed to random blood test up until 24 days before and immediately after the fight.

But Bradley has been fighting at the 140 lb weight division. Manny would be critized for asking Bradley to go up in weight. Give me another worthy opponent. And Margarito does not deserve to have his license back this early.

Then it isn't truly "random" is it?

If I tell you to pick a number between 5 and 15, can it be considered random? Random means with no order or plan.

& taking a test after the fight is a complete joke. The test is meant to prevent the cheater from stepping into the ring & potentially injuring someone.

But that is already above and beyond what is required by the Nevada Boxing Commission. Maybe if Floyd insisted on the blood test up until the fight, Manny might have agreed to a 14 days but we wouldn't know, would we? Maybe it's because Manny did not want to give in to Floyd's demand since he had no authority to dictate a new regulation. There are a lot of 'maybes' so I give Manny the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any credible evidence that he is using PEDs.

But that is what happened. Mayweather originally wanted up to the date of the fight & Pacquiao wanted 30 days. Mayweather spit the difference & compromised right in the middle, 14 days. Pacquiao was only willing to budge 6 days. From 30 to 24.

But I agree. The fact that Pacquiao's reaction was suspicious proves nothing. But it does prove he reacted suspicious to a very serious accusation. In the end he alone looks bad. The general public perception of him is unfavorable because of his suspicious reaction. These days being on PEDs & steroids is worse than anything else in the world of sports. Even those who are simply accused are picked apart by the media. Why did Pacquiao think any different would happen to him? He made his bed & he has to lay in it.

Also, I agree it's above what the commission wants, but as I understand both fighters had the right to make any demand they wanted. Pacquiao made that outlandish weight penalty demand & Mayweather made the random blood testing demand. Whether either demand was warranted or not is neither nere nor there. It's a demand. If Mayweather demanded 30 cases of ice cream bars in his dressing room on fight night, he had the right to at least ask for it even tho it's foolish. Thats the whole point of being able to make demands.