About Roy Jones Jr.

[miron_lang]

I've witness how inhuman Roy looks at the peak of his powers. Unbelievable
reflexes. great power just mind boggling abilities inside the ring.

After dismantling CLinton Woods. Roy would put on 19lbs of muscle to face heavyweight Champion John Ruiz. Prior to this fight Roy tested positive for Steroids againts Hall.

After beating Ruiz. Roy became the 1st to win the heavyweight and middleweight championship in so many years and was given the proper accolades.... the thing is NO one in the media, fighters or the entire boxing community cared about STEROIDS despite Roy having history with it NONE. ROY is a great fighter PERIOD!.


Now we have Manny Pacquiao putting on 4 to 6lbs of muscle in 5 yrs. Beating up every opposition similar to what ROy did during his time. And refusing additional DRUG tests (He agreed to 24 days cut off)...and Calling him a CHEATER seems normal from his haters

YES YES and YES he refused ADDITIONAL TESTS (Again the difference is 10 days) but does that Carry more weight than ACTUALLY TESTING POSITIVE and ADDING 19lbs of MUSCLE from you last bout?

I never read anywhere in the fourm someone calling Roy a cheater. Why the WHOLE BOXING community didnt CARE about addressing PROPER TESTING Procedure in boxing before Floyd Sr creates the Pac A Side Meth story NOBODY as in NOBODY CARED before that. Despite so many Elite Athletes testing positive.

Roy at his peak looks more inhuman compared to Pacquiao and actually tested positive for steroids. but not a single thread up to this point was created for him regarding this.

HYPOCRISY ?

[TheBranMan]

No matter how much you'd love to compare/contrast the two situations (so you can cry "HYPOCRACY"), you can only align them in that they both deal with the war on drugs in sports. FYI, Jones and Hall both tested positive for illegal substances post-fight. Besides being more than a decade apart, there weren't the same testing procedures in place, the public knowledge on the matter was shady at best and (most importantly) there was no public outcry for such tests to take place (and in doing so, possibly even saving a diminishing sport).

I'll call Roy a cheater right now (as were most other fighters, including Hall), just like I'll call Pacquiao a cheater. We need to change the mentality that this is just a sport in which you do what you can without getting caught. With the publicity gained by Floyd's (so-called 'outlandish') request for better testing, we had/have an opportunity to better the sport. It's only the drones of mindless 'Pactards' who support his every shady move, that are holding it back. Dare I say, even an ego like Roy's would've bent for the fans and the progress of the sport.

[miron_lang]

I'll call Roy a cheater right now (as were most other fighters, including Hall), just like I'll call Pacquiao a cheater.

What's that? is there any logic in that? Call pacquiao a cheater because he refuses additional test? Is that what you are saying?

[miron_lang]

we had/have an opportunity to better the sport.

Roy, Toney, Vargas all tested positive? Why not then? Why now? because Sr did open his mouth? You mean you actually have some thoughts about cleaning the sport before Sr quacks about it? LOL Dont lie pls

Do you actually believe that you have sense or logic the way you think?

. Dare I say, even an ego like Roy's would've bent for the fans and the progress of the sport.

HAHAHAHA You think so? LOL

Jones says “The testing is very good right now, and there’s nothing he [Pacquiao] could really do that they can’t find out. Why make Pacquiao take the test and not anybody else?” I hear you, Roy. Why make Pacquiao the test case for this kind of thing. This stuff should have been settled long before this fight, you know? You can’t just change the rules and then demonize Manny just because he’s squeamish about having his blood taken from him. I say forget about the blood tests entirely.

Roy Jones Jr. takes Pacquiao’s side about the blood tests

[miron_lang]

It's only the drones of mindless 'Pactards' who support his every shady move, that are holding it back

That's fine. But you need to answer the question. Why againts Pacquiao? Why now? You didnt understand my initial post. Roy tested positive and he looks more 'Super' han Pacquiao. Why Clean up the sport entering the negotiations of the biggest fight out there?

You are funny

[AdamGB]

It's a complete fallacy that jones put on 19lbs...

Look at him in his last few fights at Light Heavy... no way was he walking around at 175.

Of course he did put on some mass but a lot of the weight gain would have came from the fact that he didn't have to cut and boil down in camp this time out.

From something he stopped doing, not something he did.

Ethics of Jone's testings etc aside 5,10,15lbs or what ever on a short man is not the same as on a tall man. Will leave the debates about testing etc for others but talking about weight is largely irelevant.

How much did you put on over the few weeks of Christmas? Performance is the issue here.

[miron_lang]

It's a complete fallacy that jones put on 19lbs...

Look at him in his last few fights at Light Heavy... no way was he walking around at 175.

Of course he did put on some mass but a lot of the weight gain would have came from the fact that he didn't have to cut and boil down in camp this time out.

From something he stopped doing, not something he did.

Mate, I said from his last bout. he was 174 againts Woods. and there's no debate about him roiding. He had a history of roiding officially.

Ethics of Jone's testings etc aside 5,10,15lbs or what ever on a short man is not the same as on a tall man. Will leave the debates about testing etc for others but talking about weight is largely irelevant.

How much did you put on over the few weeks of Christmas? Performance is the issue here.

Fine mate lets forget about weight.

Performance? Are you more impressed with Pacquiao than how Roy performed?

With that question. Are thinking these athletes are not capable of performing great feats? You think what Pac has done is more "Unbelievable" than Winning 126, 135 and 147 simultaneously as what Armstrong did? or you also think Armstrong is questionable because of that?

[TheBranMan]

We can't possibly know how Jones would've acted if this kind of pressure was placed on him in his day, so that's a pointless argument.

I was suspicious before Floyd Sr said anything, but I kept my mouth shut. Then the old coot rambled on about Pacquiao's little secret. Still, I kept my mouth shut. Then Malignaggi made a few very good points and while I agreed that a few of them were worthwhile, still I didn't support either side of the argument (why put any pressure on the guy or his loyal fan-base with only some suspicious physical signs). Then Mayweather mentions the words 'conclusive', 'blood' and 'testing' and all hell breaks loose. That's when I became aware of just how likely it was that he was actually using. Use your head. His (and his team's) actions don't make sense. His physicality shows signs of usage.. not to mention numerous statistical signs.

On top of all of those signals, it brings the bigger issue of better testing methods in terms of the entire sport, into the spotlight, which can't be a bad thing for a sport that was once considered 'mainstream'. So to answer your question, no I didn't only come up with this argument because I was tricked by that crafty Mayweather Sr; I have been suspicious for a while. Since 2010 rolled around I think I've had more than ample reason to be more than suspicious too

[HattonTheHammer]

No matter how much you'd love to compare/contrast the two situations (so you can cry "HYPOCRACY"), you can only align them in that they both deal with the war on drugs in sports. FYI, Jones and Hall both tested positive for illegal substances post-fight. Besides being more than a decade apart, there weren't the same testing procedures in place, the public knowledge on the matter was shady at best and (most importantly) there was no public outcry for such tests to take place (and in doing so, possibly even saving a diminishing sport).

I'll call Roy a cheater right now (as were most other fighters, including Hall), just like I'll call Pacquiao a cheater. We need to change the mentality that this is just a sport in which you do what you can without getting caught. With the publicity gained by Floyd's (so-called 'outlandish') request for better testing, we had/have an opportunity to better the sport. It's only the drones of mindless 'Pactards' who support his every shady move, that are holding it back. Dare I say, even an ego like Roy's would've bent for the fans and the progress of the sport.

A lot of truth in that post. The governing bodys and powers that be missed a massive opportunity to perform a complete overhaul of the rules here. I really just do not understand this sport sometimes. How should what you weigh or what governing bodys belt your fighting for determine how/when you are tested?

American footballers, soccer players they can all be hurt at the hands of someone else taking performance enhancers. But in this sport someone can get badly hurt even killed fighting someone roided up and the sad thing is it may actually have to take a situation like that until the powers that be are actually forced to bang heads and reammend these bogus,borderline farcical situations we are facing today

[miron_lang]

I was suspicious before Floyd Sr said anything

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I have been suspicious for a while. Since 2010 rolled around I think I've had more than ample reason to be more than suspicious too

So you're more than suspicious now againts Pacquiao?

Do you also hate Roy because he roided during his prime? or you only hate pacquiao because Floyd is your 'Favorite' fighter?


Given that your suspicion is more than suspicion its logical to assume that you think Pacquiao is a cheater. And since Roy is a proven cheater not just by suspicion is it safe to assume that you also hate Roy Jones?

Did you already hate Roy Jones before Sr did quack about roids?

[generalbulldog]

No matter how much you'd love to compare/contrast the two situations (so you can cry "HYPOCRACY"), you can only align them in that they both deal with the war on drugs in sports. FYI, Jones and Hall both tested positive for illegal substances post-fight. Besides being more than a decade apart, there weren't the same testing procedures in place, the public knowledge on the matter was shady at best and (most importantly) there was no public outcry for such tests to take place (and in doing so, possibly even saving a diminishing sport).

I'll call Roy a cheater right now (as were most other fighters, including Hall), just like I'll call Pacquiao a cheater. We need to change the mentality that this is just a sport in which you do what you can without getting caught. With the publicity gained by Floyd's (so-called 'outlandish') request for better testing, we had/have an opportunity to better the sport. It's only the drones of mindless 'Pactards' who support his every shady move, that are holding it back. Dare I say, even an ego like Roy's would've bent for the fans and the progress of the sport.

SInce you've been talking about this PEDs and Pacquiao in almost every post, can you enlighten me on this A-side meth? Pacquiao's accusers and the people who believed he's on PEDs are talking about this A-side meth.

This drug supposedly can make you invincible on the battlefield of war and you can shrug off .38 and .45 caliber bullets and blows to the body in the boxing ring. This drug is so powerful and is strictly exclusive to 1 country and that's the Phillipines, Pac's home.

Since you seem like you have good knowlege of what drugs Pacquiao is on, I would like to know specifically about this drug.

[AdamGB]

It's a complete fallacy that jones put on 19lbs...

Look at him in his last few fights at Light Heavy... no way was he walking around at 175.

Of course he did put on some mass but a lot of the weight gain would have came from the fact that he didn't have to cut and boil down in camp this time out.

From something he stopped doing, not something he did.

Mate, I said from his last bout. he was 174 againts Woods. and there's no debate about him roiding. He had a history of roiding officially.

Ethics of Jone's testings etc aside 5,10,15lbs or what ever on a short man is not the same as on a tall man. Will leave the debates about testing etc for others but talking about weight is largely irelevant.

How much did you put on over the few weeks of Christmas? Performance is the issue here.

Fine mate lets forget about weight.

Performance? Are you more impressed with Pacquiao than how Roy performed?

With that question. Are thinking these athletes are not capable of performing great feats? You think what Pac has done is more "Unbelievable" than Winning 126, 135 and 147 simultaneously as what Armstrong did? or you also think Armstrong is questionable because of that?

No, I'm not saying that Jones doesn't have a history or that he did weigh in at 174. I'm saying that Pac's weight and Roy's weight are moot points.

Joe Calzaghe could boil down to 168 and if I'm remembering right didn't even weight 175 when he fought at light heavy - he is still known to walk around at 190 (some say closer to 200 but I don't know about that...)

Fuck, vargas/mayorga etc all walked around at 170, you understand how drying up works right?

lol... and I'm not even talking about Armstrong, let alone saing this or that about him

Like I said I can't really be bothered to debate testing and public opinion etc... just read your comments regarding weight and thought I'd play devil's advocote.

pac doesn't get stick for his weight going up, or his acheivments. he gets it for floundering, condtradicting himself and flip flopping with all of the excuses and stipulations ('I want a schedule for the random tests' etc)

For what it's worth I agree that it's unfair that Jones/Mosely get off the hook whilst Pac doesn't despite not being a proven cheat - people want to see the two best fighters box each other and if Pac acts the way he did under those circumstances than back lash is inevitable, deserved or not.

[miron_lang]

For what it's worth I agree that it's unfair that Jones/Mosely get off the hook whilst Pac doesn't despite not being a proven cheat - people want to see the two best fighters box each other and if Pac acts the way he did under those circumstances than back lash is inevitable, deserved or not.

on that.

Roy tested positive accomplishes superhuman feats no if's and but hes a great fighter period.

Pac refuses a test. hundreds of articles and threads came out and now he 's questionable


LOL on that.



Its my sons bday today im off early

[Althugz]

How the fuck did I know you'd turn this into Manny and Peds.

I read the title of the thread...hovered over the title and saw your first sentence and thought "nothing about Pac!"

Jeez man, let it die. For a second I thought this was a thread about Roy Jones and him having amazing reflexes, power etc in his prime how Manny makes his way into it from there is anybodys guess

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

About Roy Jones Jr:
Roy Jones Jr. is the closest thing to Superman boxing has ever had.


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