So why did JMM fight Chris John for 30k instead of Pac for 750k in '05?

[JonnyFolds]

I think anybody complaining Marquez was robbed in the John fight might actually want to go watch it first. There was no way he was robbed. It was a close, hard to score fight that could have gone either way. That's not getting robbed.

milmascaras1 has obviously never seen the fight. I was hoping somebody would chime in with something actually pertaining to the fight, not just some bogus opinion about how the fight might have gone.

[milmascaras1]

folds,

yes i have seen the fight and it was a total robbery. but i guess that's what happens when you go to asia to fight. you practically have to kill their fighters to get any kind of decision. chris john is an overrated punk. all he did was run from marquez all night. marquez easily and clearly won that fight. if you think john won the fight, you must like slappers cause all john did was stay carefully away from marquez and somehow, surprise, got a hometown decision.

[Fenster]

To find out why JMM fought Chris John offshore in Indonesia for 30K rather than fight Pac for 750K after the first fight, one would be better off going straight to the horse's mouth.

Checking out the post fight interview gives you an insight unto the minds of the horses themselves! (pardon the pun) The interview is the one Larry Merchant conducted for both fighters... and with little imagination, you get a real feel for emotions that goes with the responses that both Pac and JMM were saying regarding a rematch right after their brutal encounter.

Anyone a bit techie (I am not one) or maybe PacStraightLeft, can provide for a viewable version... perhaps

The video tho' that I have viewed was an HBO telecast included in a Filipino broadcast/ABS CBN and had bits with Chino Trinidad in it.

Both men then had interpreters with them handling their responses for the HBO telecast. I zoomed in to the bit were both men were asked about their willingness for a rematch. Pac and JMM both said yes to a rematch but it is in the verbiage where the telltale is.


It goes as follows...

Pac VS JMM Post Fight Interviews

Larry Merchant to Pacquiao: You were supposed to fight Erik Morales if you won this fight, since it’s a draw, do you want to do a rematch?

Manny Pacquiao through an interpreter: There should really be a rematch! so they will know who really is the best between the two of us, who really is the winner between the two of us!

Larry Merchant to Marquez: Do you want a rematch?

Juan Manuel Marquez through an interpreter: Yes. I don’t feel I need a rematch, because I feel I won this fight! But if we need to do it again, I feel I want it, let’s do it!

Curiously, it was JMM who actually said that he did not need a rematch since he felt he'd already won it, while Pac on the other hand was itching to get it on again, just to establish once and for all who really won the fight. At that moment, (IMO), he felt that he was robbed of a win, and he was not alone with that thought, Harold Lederman, providing HBO's unofficial scorecard, had Pacquiao winning, seven rounds to five, 115-110.

Draw your own conclusion, as to mine... my impression is that one was angry (Pac), while the other one was relieved (JMM).

I don't think you've read this situation right. Marquez was champion. So it's simply a case of - Pac needed a rematch because he came away with NOTHING. Marquez didn't need a rematch because he still held his titles, and believed he won the fight. Simple as that

[generalbulldog]

who gives a fuck who is "running the show". pacquiao uses this "running the show" crap to get unfair advantages at catchweights. this is bullshit and most of you pactards know it!!! all pacquiao is, is a prima donna who has to have advantages over his opponents. by the way, when has he ever faced a younger, fast, in his prime boxer? he's slowly beginning to get recognized as a damn fraud along with freddie roach and bob arum. deceiving the public with these fantastic wins over weight drained fighters but won't fight fighters like marquez, alexander, bradley or other fast, young fighters.

Easy, if his opponents think it's unfair. Then don't sign the deal. Simple as.

And Pac is doing the same thing of "running the show" that legends such as De La Hoya and Chavez did. You know weight draining their opponents for the titles. Must have learned it from them.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pacquiao has been on the other end when someone else was "running the show". He had to agree to the terms of ODLH and go up two weight divisions in order to have the chance to fight him. And he was at a disadvantage with regards to the purse split which was understandable. Now that he is THAT MAN, I can't blame him for taking advantage of it.

If his opponents agree to the terms of the Pacquiao camp, then so be it. But the rewards will be several-fold if they manage to defeat him. Manny can't stay on top forever. At some point, he will fade and another boxer will emerge on top and will continue the same behavior. That's the cycle of life in boxing.

[hardcore_crash]

Does anyone have a link to the post fight interview??
Because if I remember correctly, the interpreter did not do so good a job.

[KananKrus]

I don't think you've read this situation right. Marquez was champion. So it's simply a case of - Pac needed a rematch because he came away with NOTHING. Marquez didn't need a rematch because he still held his titles, and believed he won the fight. Simple as that

I understand that Marquez held two belts at that time... but with Pac, there was never a need for him to win belts in order for him to get big fights.

The belts only became important for Pac once he was in the pursuit of attaining the novelty of having the most belts in multi-weight categories. Marquez' belts were meaningless to Pacquiao, and actually, Michael Buffet introduced Pac as the recognized people's featherweight champion (whatever that means).

After the announcement of the draw, Buffet even mentioned that both protagonists keep their own respective belts. By all intents and purposes, Pac was the draw, and "the one" being groomed to further boxing, than it was the other way around. Marquez, if he had won, would have easily taken Pac's place and possibly a match win against Morales', Pac's prospective next opponent, could have cemented his niche in the pay-per-view market.

Likewise, at this point in time, it was Marquez who needed to painstakingly add aggressiveness to his staple counter style fighting, not only to get this fight hitched against hot prospect Pacquiao, but also in order for him to increase marketability for future interests.

Getting back, JMM was the minor star in this affair, only his huge ego made him think otherwise. This ego up to now, is also part of the reason that JMM rubs Pac the wrong way. Pac in a poor attempt at humor, once said that the reason Marquez lost to PBF despite his drinking his own pee was because he didn't eat his poo to go with it! LOL. Obviously the attempt at humor had pangs of viciousness to it that is almost always less revealed in public.

So the crown meant nothing really if any of neither Pac nor JMM had the bigger thing in mind for a juicier progression into the future. The win was the most coveted in order to stake the bigger claim in the PPV arena in the sport.

Hence, a rematch was first and foremost!

That is if you get the drift...

[hardcore_crash]

That dumb mother***er interpreting did a bad job.
Marquez immediately said ,"YES i want a rematch, i feel i won; there is no "revenge" in a fight i won scored as a draw" roughly like that.

Same interpreter getting Chavez REALLY upset backstage Chavez/DLH 2 post fight.
For guess what.... misinterpreting.

[Violent Demise]

I don't think you've read this situation right. Marquez was champion. So it's simply a case of - Pac needed a rematch because he came away with NOTHING. Marquez didn't need a rematch because he still held his titles, and believed he won the fight. Simple as that

I understand that Marquez held two belts at that time... but with Pac, there was never a need for him to win belts in order for him to get big fights.

The belts only became important for Pac once he was in the pursuit of attaining the novelty of having the most belts in multi-weight categories. Marquez' belts were meaningless to Pacquiao, and actually, Michael Buffet introduced Pac as the recognized people's featherweight champion (whatever that means).

After the announcement of the draw, Buffet even mentioned that both protagonists keep their own respective belts. By all intents and purposes, Pac was the draw, and "the one" being groomed to further boxing, than it was the other way around. Marquez, if he had won, would have easily taken Pac's place and possibly a match win against Morales', Pac's prospective next opponent, could have cemented his niche in the pay-per-view market.

Likewise, at this point in time, it was Marquez who needed to painstakingly add aggressiveness to his staple counter style fighting, not only to get this fight hitched against hot prospect Pacquiao, but also in order for him to increase marketability for future interests.

Getting back, JMM was the minor star in this affair, only his huge ego made him think otherwise. This ego up to now, is also part of the reason that JMM rubs Pac the wrong way. Pac in a poor attempt at humor, once said that the reason Marquez lost to PBF despite his drinking his own pee was because he didn't eat his poo to go with it! LOL. Obviously the attempt at humor had pangs of viciousness to it that is almost always less revealed in public.

So the crown meant nothing really if any of neither Pac nor JMM had the bigger thing in mind for a juicier progression into the future. The win was the most coveted in order to stake the bigger claim in the PPV arena in the sport.

Hence, a rematch was first and foremost!

That is if you get the drift...

Shut the fuck up with that nonsense. At that time Pac very much needed the belts. He wasn't a Super Star yet except in the eyes of his fellow flips and his steroid supplier. He was still making his push. He had popularity. But he wasn't such a big star where he no longer needed the belts. That's just idiotic to say

[KananKrus]

Shut the fuck up with that nonsense. At that time Pac very much needed the belts. He wasn't a Super Star yet except in the eyes of his fellow flips and his steroid supplier. He was still making his push. He had popularity. But he wasn't such a big star where he no longer needed the belts. That's just idiotic to say

You and your foul language gets you nowhere with civilized forumers here, when you have nothing of substance to impart, you resort to abusive language. This is an unacceptable behavior you are exhibiting!

And you having not been given notice, is amazing, since somewhere in your bloodline is someone decent to have curbed your abrasive nature. Seems like aggressive behavior is your only attempt at relevance on some topics, your only stab to contributing for the exchange of ideas... put a lid on it!

Somewhere along the line a problem will come your way and not at all times will your computer keys do the fighting for you!

Flip is a racial term, by addressing people with that derogatory term you have crossed the line, therefore you should be sanctioned or better yet, banned! Censorship calls for it, and moderators should only see it fit to do so otherwise, you and your ilk will someday run roughshod of a decent forum like this.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Yep, Flip is a derogatory racial term. Since when has this forum allowed such? If nothing is done about this, it may give the readers the impression that certain derogatory racial remarks are allowed in here.

[hardcore_crash]

I see it's that time of the month in here....

[miron_lang]

Yep, people are still saying that Pac waited years for a rematch, because he was scared when 1 was on the table to fight in March of '05, 10 months after they first fought.

So if JMM had taken that fight, the trilogy would have been with JMM and not Morales. And maybe JMM would be making bad beer commercials with Pac for easy income instead of Morales.

WTF are you talking about? Have you tasted San Miguel?

It is ranked as one of the best beers in the world.

better yet you must try RED HORSE beer. I know people from other forums order this beer from the Philippines. Its quite strong at 8% and tastes good too.


[image]http://www.redhorsebeer.com/images/theBeerImage.jpg[/image]

[miron_lang]

Bunch of fucking idiots with incomplete facts. Here's the actual facts. Marquez made $650,000 for the first Pacquiao fight. He was promised $1.2 million for the rematch. Which he accepted. Than they try to come at him with $750,000. While Pacquiao was to make close to 2 million. The first fight was on HBO Championship boxing. The second was to be PPV. Yet they only giving him $100,000 more than the first fight? A fight in which he didn't lose. Not to mentioned he was the one holding 2 belts. Fuck that. Marquez was not going to let them get over on him like that. I would of walked in his position too. People calling Marquez greedy are straight morons. Asking for what was promised to you ain't being greedy.

WTF

That means HBO is paying $2.75M at least for that fight.


I just realized that you actually have ZERO credibility. Your main goal is to post Positive things about your Fighters and Negative things about Pac. Its not even an opinion you're effing obsessed!






* I think Pac did get close to that amount in his fight againts Morales. But Morales is way way way more popular than JMM.

[Violent Demise]

Bunch of fucking idiots with incomplete facts. Here's the actual facts. Marquez made $650,000 for the first Pacquiao fight. He was promised $1.2 million for the rematch. Which he accepted. Than they try to come at him with $750,000. While Pacquiao was to make close to 2 million. The first fight was on HBO Championship boxing. The second was to be PPV. Yet they only giving him $100,000 more than the first fight? A fight in which he didn't lose. Not to mentioned he was the one holding 2 belts. Fuck that. Marquez was not going to let them get over on him like that. I would of walked in his position too. People calling Marquez greedy are straight morons. Asking for what was promised to you ain't being greedy.

WTF

That means HBO is paying $2.75M at least for that fight.


I just realized that you actually have ZERO credibility. Your main goal is to post Positive things about your Fighters and Negative things about Pac. Its not even an opinion you're effing obsessed!






* I think Pac did get close to that amount in his fight againts Morales. But Morales is way way way more popular than JMM.

The problem is a quite simple one. I know more than you. A substantial more. Really I don't even know who you are. You don't have your own identity. Your a Pac groupie. All you girls get lumped into one big bunch. Cuz there's no difference between any of ya'll. It's the same nonsense over and over. What you post has been repeated over and over by some else. The only thing that changes is the user name.

Shut the fuck up with that nonsense. At that time Pac very much needed the belts. He wasn't a Super Star yet except in the eyes of his fellow flips and his steroid supplier. He was still making his push. He had popularity. But he wasn't such a big star where he no longer needed the belts. That's just idiotic to say

You and your foul language gets you nowhere with civilized forumers here, when you have nothing of substance to impart, you resort to abusive language. This is an unacceptable behavior you are exhibiting!

And you having not been given notice, is amazing since somewhere in your bloodline is someone decent to have curbed your abrasive nature. Seems like aggressive behavior is your only attempt at relevance on some topics, your only stab to contributing for the exchange of ideas... put a lid on it!

Somewhere along the line a problem will come your way and not at all times will your computer keys do the fighting for you!

Flip is a racial term, by addressing people with that derogatory term you have crossed the line, therefore you should be sanctioned or better yet, banned! Censorship calls for it, and moderators should only see it fit to do so otherwise, you and your ilk will someday run roughshod of a decent forum like this.

Unacceptable behavior, huh? I'm sure it is. But guess what? I been here longer than you. And while I probably should of been ban for life a long time ago, it hasn't happened. Main reason why is this is a boxing forum. It makes no sense to rid it of it's most knowledgeable poster. Like I told the other clown. I know more than him. And I know more than you. That's not even close to being debatable. You don't like the way your post was responded too that's your problem. The solution is a very simple one. Stop posting stupid, moronic shit like you seem to do on a regular basis and I guarantee you things would get better for you. Will you actually do it? I doubt it. Based on some of your past foolish posts it's pretty obvious you can't help yourself. So I don't see things getting better for you. And it's your own fault