WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[fan johnny]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

It comes from the tax payers.

This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are.

Like I said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to STFU! but you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise STFU!.When you are old enough to take a class on how government works, I suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the Nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In General when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the NSAC.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

It comes from the tax payers.

This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are.

Like I said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to STFU! but you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise STFU!.When you are old enough to take a class on how government works, I suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the Nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In General when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the NSAC.

You destroyed hornfinger's credibility.

Oh, wait ...... he didn't have any credibility in the first place.

[:::PSL:::]

Hornfinger

[Hornfinger]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

[:::PSL:::]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

Destroyed you a couple of pages he said.

Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?

Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!

[Hornfinger]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

Destroyed you a couple of pages he said.

Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?

Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!

Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?

Joeygotfingered,

I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.

Where the fuck is it?

Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......


Sarcasm aside....

As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...

Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.

Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

Destroyed you a couple of pages he said.

Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?

Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!

Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?

I don't see hornfinger destroying anybody in these posts. The only thing I see destroyed is his reputation. Oh, my mistake. He has none you say.

And I don't think he should be calling anyone 'stupid'. He already owns that.

[:::PSL:::]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

Destroyed you a couple of pages he said.

Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?

Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!

Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?

Joeygotfingered,

I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.

Where the fuck is it?

Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......


Sarcasm aside....

As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...

Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.

Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.

Lmfao! How about you, calling me a Master? You're a good lil' doggie.

I ask you ONE question and you come up with all kinds of bullshit. You're just trying to spin things around and come up with weak conclusion.

And you think you are walking all over me with that garbage? You're a fucking joke.

As long as you don't have evidence, you don't have jack shit. Anyone can accuse anyone with something. That's easy. But you need get your head out of your ass and ask yourself "do I have a case". In your situation, YOU HAVE NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.

Do you comprende cabrona?

[Hornfinger]

like i said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to stfu! But you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? Because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise stfu!.when you are old enough to take a class on how government works, i suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The nevada state athletic commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In general when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the nsac.

ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.


also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

the out of contest testing the nsac did was not blood testing but urine testing, so was not good enough anyway.

the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.



i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

[fan johnny]

ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.

also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

the out of contest testing the nsac did was not blood testing but urine testing, so was not good enough anyway.

the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes

(thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

In the first quote, I identified above, you go on about big fights generating tax money and a conflict of interest that the NSAC has managing the regulations of the sport. I have already explained to you the basics of how of the rules are made so that there is no motivation for corruption. If you think there is a conflict interest with the way NSAC manages the sport and implements policy, identify the "specific conflict". If you can do that with facts to backup your statement, I would most likely have to agree with you. But making general corruption statements without identifying any motivation says absolutely nothing is easily dismissed as unwarranted governmental conspiracy theory rhetoric.

In the second quote, You make a bold statement that the testing the NSAC does is not good enough. Provide specific facts that identify the poor qualify of the testing related to good quality testing and how they are going to address the testing procedure deficiencies. Your facts should identify the type of banded substances they fail to identify and why what they do is such poor quality. Your facts should also identify the a good quality method of testing that the NASC should follow in order to correct it's deficiencies.

Now with your expert advise I'm sure we can get GBP, Top Rank and other big promoters conducting events to put up the $9K-$15K budget short fall the commission needs to implement a good quality PED testing program.

[Hornfinger]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com


Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....


Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.


Consider yourself owned.

[Master]

Call me naive but I think they are all clean unless proved otherwise.

[fan johnny]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com

In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!

You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....

No need! I don't hold this position

Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Promise? - follow the link

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.

Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?

Consider yourself owned.

I will never submit to slavery!

[Hornfinger]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com

In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!

You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....

No need! I don't hold this position

Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Promise? - follow the link

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.

Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?

Consider yourself owned.

I will never submit to slavery!

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.

You don't It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.

Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.