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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonyeah, too many pac fans seem to believe if one guy can do something ... pac can automatically do it better, cotto has one of the best jabs in boxing at the moment, he caught clottey sharp as he was coming inQuote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticClottey went on the attack was off balance and Cotto timed a really good jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Clottey was nowhere near hurt from the shot and Pacquiao doesn't have Cotto's jab anyway.
Pacquiao would slice and dice him and win another 1 sided beatdown ? Are you kidding ?
Clottey is seriously hard to hit and is durable as hell, I don't see Pacquiao landing alot plus i see Clottey having alot of success with his combos which are seriously underated.
Pacquiao's only way to beat Clottey is to move, throw in spurts and repeat.
To beat Clottey you need to outwork him.
pac's jab doesnt carry enough to do this
Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonyeah, too many pac fans seem to believe if one guy can do something ... pac can automatically do it better, cotto has one of the best jabs in boxing at the moment, he caught clottey sharp as he was coming inQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
pac's jab doesnt carry enough to do this
Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.
The difference in their fight was, Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's punches better than Cotto could take his.
re read it, his jabs isnt as good as cotto's that was my point, just because cotto knocked clottey down with a jab doesnt mean pac can do the sameQuote:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonyeah, too many pac fans seem to believe if one guy can do something ... pac can automatically do it better, cotto has one of the best jabs in boxing at the moment, he caught clottey sharp as he was coming inQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
pac's jab doesnt carry enough to do this
Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.
Comparing PAcquiao's defensive skills to Calderon's is laughable, the biggest problem OScar had with Pacquiao was footspeed, and the fact he never threw a legitimate jab the whole night, it was a distance finder the entire fight. Marquez, Morales, Cotto, and Marquez all landed their jabs on PAcquiao with ease and regularity. The problem is none of them are great and hitting and not being hit which is something Clottey is better at, and Mayweather is the master of, unfortunately Clottey is too much of a sitting target who doesn't throw enough punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraMorales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.
Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.
see the light
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How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?
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lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it
style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that
Thats correct especially using the examples of fighters that dont really fight anything like Clottey. He has a weapon thats a much bigger factor than his lack of action and thats his good stiff jab which has given Pac problems in the past, along with a much tighter defense.Quote:
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Originally Posted by miron_lang
lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it
style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that
Remember what Vernon Forrest said when he completely dismantled Shane Mosley? Beat him with a basic jab. Good jab and keeping the fight at the right distance offsets all that speed and fast punching, (not that Im comparing Clottey to Forrest);)
In my opinion, Clottey wins the first 2, maybe 3 rounds, then gets complacent like he always does. After that, the relentless pacman assault takes over.
How does Cotto have more power? Pacquiao's punches damage the face, badly. The last several fights prove this. Look at Cotto last opponets, Paquiao, clottey, Margarito. They all basically walked through Cotto shots. No swelling, cuts, bruises, nothing. Pacquiao's last opponets. Cotto- swelled and busted up. ODLH bad swelling and bruising. Hatton no chance to find out. Diaz- looked like he was in a car wreck. You get my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticCotto has more power than Pacquiao.Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Im a big fan of Cotto's but everything he can do, Pac did it better. Pacquiao has much more head jolting power and he prooved it, so your statement really doesnt make any since. Pacquiao would tee off on Clottey all night for a Dominant UD.
The difference in their fight was, Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's punches better than Cotto could take his.
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Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!
and that is a brilliant way to test power, thats volume of punches more than anything, and if were judging it like that... pac's ear was probably worse than any superficial injurys cotto sustainedQuote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanHow does Cotto have more power? Pacquiao's punches damage the face, badly. The last several fights prove this. Look at Cotto last opponets, Paquiao, clottey, Margarito. They all basically walked through Cotto shots. No swelling, cuts, bruises, nothing. Pacquiao's last opponets. Cotto- swelled and busted up. ODLH bad swelling and bruising. Hatton no chance to find out. Diaz- looked like he was in a car wreck. You get my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticCotto has more power than Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
The difference in their fight was, Pacquiao was able to take Cotto's punches better than Cotto could take his.
mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawedQuote:
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!
Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory. ;)
I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.
no he doesnt, give me an example of when he has adjusted mid fight ? against morales he had no answers for the jab, cotto changed what he was doing and abandoned the jab ..... thats what the difference was not these so called adjustmentsQuote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
hitmanhatton,
i also noticed cotto's early success using his jab. it wasn't anything pacquiao did why cotto abandoned it (jab).
The jab worked well to get him close but the price he was paying for getting close was far greater than the damage he was doing with his jab.
Manny just beat him up inside and in the angles as he moved out, around, and away. You saw when he tried to box at distance later in the fight it was pretty ineffective.
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im pretty sure the jab is a long range shot ...... so i cant understand what the first bit is all about,
later on in the fight cotto had already been knocked down and was cut... so i wouldnt have expect much success at that point in the fight
fact of the matter is cotto threw himself into the way of manny's shots thinking he would be able to walk through them
and if he is so good at stopping the jab... why didnt he do this to marquez?
The jab is a long range shot to bring you into range to setup your other punches wouldnt you agree? I think he used the jab with success as a way to get in close to throw his other shots but thats where it ended.Quote:
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Originally Posted by salty trunks
im pretty sure the jab is a long range shot ...... so i cant understand what the first bit is all about,
later on in the fight cotto had already been knocked down and was cut... so i wouldnt have expect much success at that point in the fight
fact of the matter is cotto threw himself into the way of manny's shots thinking he would be able to walk through them
and if he is so good at stopping the jab... why didnt he do this to marquez?
I think he eventually started to come in without a jab thinking he could land power punches that way.
Why Manny didnt do it to Marquez is because Marquez is more difficult to counter and hit cleanly than Cotto.
I was rewatching Cotto-Pacquiao for the first time since fight night last night on TV & I realized that Cotto really didn't respect Pacquiao's power till the 4th round. Even then he tried to war it again in the 7th I think, at which point he got buzzed again. He then tried to stick & move his way to finishing the fight & his best round was probably the 10th where he boxed his way to the round solidly, by at no point trying to trade with him. But, by then he was in no condition to deal with him.
I always thought Pacquiao would destroy him, both because I think he's a superior fighter & because I thought Cotto took too much punishment in his fights particularly Margarito. But looking at it last night, I just wonder if Cotto had boxed more early, whether he might have been able to frustrate Pacquiao into making mistakes. I'm not sure he's disciplined enough to, as he only seems to box when he really has to, but it just made me wonder.
Clottey might well be able to frustrate him, but ultimately I think he'd take his foot off the gas enough that Pacquiao takes a decision.
The biggest problem in my opp is Clottey is just not active enough and too slow...Quote:
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Originally Posted by Master
When the odds makers pick pac against clottey if this fight happens then you know that I'm right. Coz i think pac would be the favorite here. Would they bet money to lose? They analyze too. scrutinizing both fighters. to bet their millions. or hundreds or thousands. But this is hypothehtical. yet most likely. Not basing on pac's popularity and how he finished his previous fights though. It's in their styles and what they bring to the table.
Clottey's effective jabbing won't frustrate manny. unless he boxes with that jab like how cotto did on rnd 10 to survive. Any fighter who fights in a back foot against manny may succeed but sooner or later pac would catch up with them because of his aggressiveness workrate nd great stamina. unless he counters well like jmm. But is josh as good as jmm meaning exactly on the same level of counter punching effectiveness as jmm? Yes or no? If the answer is no then pac would beat him.
Also punch resistance. Who can take the punches more. pac or clottey? Pac proved he can take the punch of a strong puncher in cotto. Pac would not trade with clottey but rather he will go around clottey in flurries too.
Styles makes fights. Then please describe clottey's style for me? A bigger guy who is effective in jabs.(like hoya) clear power. good counter puncher. But who will get in first? Pac starts frantically. he is a fire starter. His speed will tell the difference in this fight. The real question here is: " does clottey have to outbox money to win?" Slug it out with money? I don't think so. Manny is hit and get back outside. hit and get back outside. Counters to the body won't do because he no longer have that weakness just like ages ago and his work rate and speed will still spell the difference. Remember their is power with those fast hands!
Manny is not the same as a lot of the little guys: he has power and movement speed to frustrate as well. The bigger guy will be slower. except i guess pbf (the only guy in the higher weights)who can match pac's speed. If you can't catch pac well with a well timed counter (jmm) or a power shot (cotto) counter. then pac might catch you with at least one power shot from his flurries to cut you piece by piece. eventually. Now on this highlight. expound if clottey ever has a chance. Believe me pac would get away from clottey's flurry in the exchange then start up again. Clottey is that slow even on reaction time and post reaction time after an exchange. If he's slower. no matter how powerful he is. he will be defeated. And i stand by my prediction here that pac would be the first guy to dominate and toy with him. Here i'll bookmark this thread for future bets. Anyone who'll step up with the challenge is welcome.
so basically.... pac is invincible is what your saying..... i seeQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
i like how you use dlh as the comparison regardless of the fact he was like a zombie that night and pac still couldnt hurt him
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonmosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawedQuote:
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!
Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonmosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawedQuote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!:rolleyes:
did you even watch the fight ? cotto him with a lot of very big shots that margarito walked through, and in my opinion this lead to him being taken out by mosley in a small way
regardless of the fact pac could take cottos shots they will have done damage... every fight you take shots like that lead you one step towards being ko'd if you continue to do it
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonso basically.... pac is invincible is what your saying..... i seeQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
i like how you use dlh as the comparison regardless of the fact he was like a zombie that night and pac still couldnt hurt him
Why did they stop the fight then? So you believe all the shit that hoya said that he's not hurt from pac's punches? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonso basically.... pac is invincible is what your saying..... i seeQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
i like how you use dlh as the comparison regardless of the fact he was like a zombie that night and pac still couldnt hurt him
Why did they stop the fight then? So you believe all the shit that hoya said that he's not hurt from pac's punches? :rolleyes:
no i can just tell what i can see with my own eyes, do his legs wobble at any point ? no!
the fight was stopped because it was pointless to fight on, DLH couldnt do anything to stop pac from landing on him, not every fight is stopped because a fighter is going to get knocked out otherwise, DLH has one of the best chins in the game... we shouldnt be suprised that pac couldnt hurt him
this is hurt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg
now try find me a moment were DLH is wobbling around like pac was here ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viuaf8aLWoU
Hoya's feet did wobbled at 35, 1:25, 1:45Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Why did they stop the fight then? So you believe all the shit that hoya said that he's not hurt from pac's punches? :rolleyes:
no i can just tell what i can see with my own eyes, do his legs wobble at any point ? no!
the fight was stopped because it was pointless to fight on, DLH couldnt do anything to stop pac from landing on him, not every fight is stopped because a fighter is going to get knocked out otherwise, DLH has one of the best chins in the game... we shouldnt be suprised that pac couldnt hurt him
this is hurt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg
now try find me a moment were DLH is wobbling around like pac was here ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viuaf8aLWoU
He did'nt put hoya down, but he got T.KO 'ed anyway. The point of the debate is, any heavier fighter within pac's weight division range which has a straight forward style would always lose to pac, and thanks to your video it just solidifies my point. Doe'snt matter if he'll get hurt or "not". A win is a win. And he may not look physically hurt but emotionally? In the face of the boxing world being humiliated by a midget? :cool:He can deny everything but the truth hurts. Console if you want to, he needs it.;)
The point is if a fighter is not a slick guy, counter punching masterclass like jmm etc. he would lose to pac and so is clottey.
And why hit me for comparing a shot hoya to a prime clottey when you show up an old video of pac ages ago which is irrelevant obviously bec. Pac is a different fighter than he was years ago?:confused:
We must learn from the mistakes of the past as well, and pac has learned from it. Fall down 7 times, rise up again 8 times. A japanese saying.
hahahaha WTF, so your saying pac hurt DLH's feelings and that counts as a logical arguement .....Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraHoya's feet did wobbled at 35, 1:25, 1:45Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonQuote:
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no i can just tell what i can see with my own eyes, do his legs wobble at any point ? no!
the fight was stopped because it was pointless to fight on, DLH couldnt do anything to stop pac from landing on him, not every fight is stopped because a fighter is going to get knocked out otherwise, DLH has one of the best chins in the game... we shouldnt be suprised that pac couldnt hurt him
this is hurt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg
now try find me a moment were DLH is wobbling around like pac was here ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viuaf8aLWoU
He did'nt put hoya down, but he got T.KO 'ed anyway. The point of the debate is, any heavier fighter within pac's weight division range which has a straight forward style would always lose to pac, and thanks to your video it just solidifies my point. Doe'snt matter if he'll get hurt or "not". A win is a win. And he may not look physically hurt but emotionally? In the face of the boxing world being humiliated by a midget? :cool:He can deny everything but the truth hurts. Console if you want to, he needs it.;)
The point is if a fighter is not a slick guy, counter punching masterclass like jmm etc. he would lose to pac and so is clottey.
And why hit me for comparing a shot hoya to a prime clottey when you show up an old video of pac ages ago which is irrelevant obviously bec. Pac is a different fighter than he was years ago?:confused:
We must learn from the mistakes of the past as well, and pac has learned from it. Fall down 7 times, rise up again 8 times. A japanese saying.
no my point was to show what 'hurt' looks like, i just so happened to use pac so it would be someone you recognised.... its quite obvious to tell your just a fan boy of one fighter so i thought it would make it easier to understand
and no his feet didnt wobble any of those times... you need to take them glasses your wearing off because they are blinding you to the truth
Rather be a pac fan boy than a hoya fan boy which obviously you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonhahahaha WTF, so your saying pac hurt DLH's feelings and that counts as a logical arguement .....Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraHoya's feet did wobbled at 35, 1:25, 1:45Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
He did'nt put hoya down, but he got T.KO 'ed anyway. The point of the debate is, any heavier fighter within pac's weight division range which has a straight forward style would always lose to pac, and thanks to your video it just solidifies my point. Doe'snt matter if he'll get hurt or "not". A win is a win. And he may not look physically hurt but emotionally? In the face of the boxing world being humiliated by a midget? :cool:He can deny everything but the truth hurts. Console if you want to, he needs it.;)
The point is if a fighter is not a slick guy, counter punching masterclass like jmm etc. he would lose to pac and so is clottey.
And why hit me for comparing a shot hoya to a prime clottey when you show up an old video of pac ages ago which is irrelevant obviously bec. Pac is a different fighter than he was years ago?:confused:
We must learn from the mistakes of the past as well, and pac has learned from it. Fall down 7 times, rise up again 8 times. A japanese saying.
no my point was to show what 'hurt' looks like, i just so happened to use pac so it would be someone you recognised.... its quite obvious to tell your just a fan boy of one fighter so i thought it would make it easier to understand
and no his feet didnt wobble any of those times... you need to take them glasses your wearing off because they are blinding you to the truth
Use pac as some one i only recognised. Lol you're one funny guy. Just because i dont post to threads regarding other fighter doe'snt necesarilly mean i don't know them. And even if i did'nt is it impossible for me not to know them? Especially legendary fighters that i did not reached during their heydays? What is the internet for?
Pacnut huggery yeah right. But as a matter of fact it is pac threads that gets a lot of views than other fighters.
far from it, i have trinidad beating DLH, i also think he lost to sturm and the mayweather fight was not as close as the judges made outQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraRather be a pac fan boy than a hoya fan boy which obviously you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonhahahaha WTF, so your saying pac hurt DLH's feelings and that counts as a logical arguement .....Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
no my point was to show what 'hurt' looks like, i just so happened to use pac so it would be someone you recognised.... its quite obvious to tell your just a fan boy of one fighter so i thought it would make it easier to understand
and no his feet didnt wobble any of those times... you need to take them glasses your wearing off because they are blinding you to the truth
Use pac as some one i only recognised. Lol you're one funny guy. Just because i dont post to threads regarding other fighter doe'snt necesarilly mean i don't know them. And even if i did'nt is it impossible for me not to know them? Especially legendary fighters that i did not reached during their heydays? What is the internet for?
Pacnut huggery yeah right. But as a matter of fact it is pac threads that gets a lot of views than other fighters.
i just dont have an agenda to defend a fighter no matter what, fact of the matter is pac didnt hurt DLH in that fight which was my original point
Anyways if pac faces clottey, if that fight will be made: i challenge you to an avatar bet. No childish shit, whinning pussies, or chickening out. Will you take my challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonfar from it, i have trinidad beating DLH, i also think he lost to sturm and the mayweather fight was not as close as the judges made outQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraRather be a pac fan boy than a hoya fan boy which obviously you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Use pac as some one i only recognised. Lol you're one funny guy. Just because i dont post to threads regarding other fighter doe'snt necesarilly mean i don't know them. And even if i did'nt is it impossible for me not to know them? Especially legendary fighters that i did not reached during their heydays? What is the internet for?
Pacnut huggery yeah right. But as a matter of fact it is pac threads that gets a lot of views than other fighters.
i just dont have an agenda to defend a fighter no matter what, fact of the matter is pac didnt hurt DLH in that fight which was my original point
Of course, i will pick pac to toy clottey for the very first time.
of course i would but he wont, roach and pac will go nowere near clotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraAnyways if pac faces clottey, if that fight will be made: i challenge you to an avatar bet. No childish shit, whinning pussies, or chickening out. Will you take my challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonfar from it, i have trinidad beating DLH, i also think he lost to sturm and the mayweather fight was not as close as the judges made outQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
i just dont have an agenda to defend a fighter no matter what, fact of the matter is pac didnt hurt DLH in that fight which was my original point
Of course, i will pick pac to toy clottey for the very first time.
If clottey is on a winning streak with the fans and his fights i think pac team will take him. Cotto is more dangerous than clottey for me, and i bet team pac sees that way too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonof course i would but he wont, roach and pac will go nowere near clotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraAnyways if pac faces clottey, if that fight will be made: i challenge you to an avatar bet. No childish shit, whinning pussies, or chickening out. Will you take my challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Of course, i will pick pac to toy clottey for the very first time.
let me guess... because cotto beat clottey right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraIf clottey is on a winning streak with the fans and his fights i think pac team will take him. Cotto is more dangerous than clottey for me, and i bet team pac sees that way too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonof course i would but he wont, roach and pac will go nowere near clotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamura
you will see how: when pac finishes of josh inside 8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonlet me guess... because cotto beat clottey right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraIf clottey is on a winning streak with the fans and his fights i think pac team will take him. Cotto is more dangerous than clottey for me, and i bet team pac sees that way too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
IT'S ON THEN! I want a barney avatar bet for whoever loses and should be worn for a month. No pussying backing out hit! Hehehehe...Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonof course i would but he wont, roach and pac will go nowere near clotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_takamuraAnyways if pac faces clottey, if that fight will be made: i challenge you to an avatar bet. No childish shit, whinning pussies, or chickening out. Will you take my challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Of course, i will pick pac to toy clottey for the very first time.
I kinda lost faith in Clottey after his fight with Cotto.
I really thought he'd beat the shit outta Cotto... Well he kinda did but he STILL managed to let himself down :-\
That's the nature of the beast I guess? No matter how effective he, in theory, can be against Pacquiao, he'll find a way to falter.