Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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It doesn't surprise me that Gandalf has evaded my question in typical Lefty fashion but let's try it again Gandalf and I would like to ask master and Tito fan man to man come on man up right now and answer this question man two men without any kind of evasion. If a police officer look you squarely in the eye and said if you keep walking I am going to take you down. Stop right there or else stop please stop right there I'm going to take you down. Are you telling me that you would keep walking and tell him f*** you? I can guarantee that neither Master nor Tito friend nor Gandalf would do that in that situation
A police officer must be aware that not everyone will comply for a variety of reasons. They could be deaf, mentally ill, be an addict, may have had a bad experience with police, just having a very bad day. How an officer behaves and reacts is crucial to manage the situation.
Now that right there is the closest statement that anyone has made here that opposes my view that I can respect. It is true that the person could have been deaf or retarded or something or mentally ill and in that case the policeman has to definitely take that into consideration. However I think after he heard the man cursing him and saying "no way, I didn't do anything wrong , don't bother me no way bro" I think it's pretty clear that point that the man was not mentally ill. Also @TitoFan you cannot just compare jaywalking with getting punched 20 times in the face. That is not the way it went down bro and you know it. You are deliberately skipping a couple of steps in that sequence of events. When he tried to take him down the man vehemently resisted and put up a fight and started flailing his arms back at the officers face. In that case if you get punched in the face a couple of times by someone who you are trying to subdue then I believe you can Strike Back.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
Ironically enough the only one under criminal investigation is the officer as all charges were dropped against the man. I know California has some screwed up roadways and traffic-pedestrian laws but really, how is this even considered jaywalking. Stopping, yield right of way and crossing strictly from corner to corner seems pretty basic. No traffic signals at all. The jaywalking is simply a default cause to stop and question a 'suspicious' person here. He never identified himself and likewise never asked him to produce identification. And how common is it to radio for back up prior to stopping a jaywalker ??? He might have been calling in a stop but it's not clear. At no time can you hear the guy 'curse' the officer over all of the radio chatter in the car. The cop lost total control of the situation and was also po'd at his Aunt yelling to him from the car and went from 0-60 because a citizen rightfully questioned him on what grounds he was being stopped and pleaded his innocence. This isn't a left or right thing, it's an abuse of power thing. When your own Department is already inferring you were out of line and it's against policy there really is no defense. This kid will get a nice chunk of change at the end of the day.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
he wasnt thrown to the ground bcuz he questioned why he was being stopped.
He was thrown to the ground because the officer told him to stop 10 or 15 times and he kept walking away. The officer then said IF YOU DONT STOP I WILL TAKE YOU DOWN.
WHAT KIND OF A FOOL AT THAT POINT DOES OTHERWISE. THATS WHY HE GOT THROWN DOWN.
THEN HE HAD THE GALL TO FLAIL AND FIGHT BACK AND PUNCH.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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TitoFan you cannot just compare jaywalking with getting punched 20 times in the face. That is not the way it went down bro and you know it. You are deliberately skipping a couple of steps in that sequence of events. When he tried to take him down the man vehemently resisted and put up a fight and started flailing his arms back at the officers face. In that case if you get punched in the face a couple of times by someone who you are trying to subdue then I believe you can Strike Back.
I watched the video again. When he went to take him down, the man resisted, but the takedown took a split second. Once the guy was on the ground, the cop proceeded to pummel him. There's no way in that video you saw the guy punching the cop in the face. He had barely been slammed to the ground when the cop started to pummel him.
I get it that you don't like the prototypical hoodlum talking back at cops... I get it. It's a stupid move. But it doesn't excuse a cop, who's supposedly highly trained, to assault a human being in that fashion. Again, even after apprehending a murder suspect after a shootout and a high speed chase, there's no excuse for that kind of pummeling.
You're wrong, and you know it. Of course you won't back down, but it makes no difference.
I hope the cop gets charged, convicted, and jailed for assault and battery. There's gotta be some way to get it through the thick skull of these 'roided assholes that their badge and uniform isn't a licence to abuse citizens. And if he gets made someone's bitch while in prison..... well I guess that's just too bad.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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TitoFan you cannot just compare jaywalking with getting punched 20 times in the face. That is not the way it went down bro and you know it. You are deliberately skipping a couple of steps in that sequence of events. When he tried to take him down the man vehemently resisted and put up a fight and started flailing his arms back at the officers face. In that case if you get punched in the face a couple of times by someone who you are trying to subdue then I believe you can Strike Back.
I watched the video again. When he went to take him down, the man resisted, but the takedown took a split second. Once the guy was on the ground, the cop proceeded to pummel him. There's no way in that video you saw the guy punching the cop in the face. He had barely been slammed to the ground when the cop started to pummel him.
I get it that you don't like the prototypical hoodlum talking back at cops... I get it. It's a stupid move. But it doesn't excuse a cop, who's supposedly highly trained, to assault a human being in that fashion. Again, even after apprehending a murder suspect after a shootout and a high speed chase, there's no excuse for that kind of pummeling.
You're wrong, and you know it. Of course you won't back down, but it makes no difference.
I hope the cop gets charged, convicted, and jailed for assault and battery. There's gotta be some way to get it through the thick skull of these 'roided assholes that their badge and uniform isn't a licence to abuse citizens. And if he gets made someone's bitch while in prison..... well I guess that's just too bad.
as he took him down, the suspect turned and threw a punch/flailed an arm at the cop's face, or at least he would not be subdued and in wriggling and twisting could have injured the cop. Up til that point you cant say the suspect had cooperated AT ALL and you know it, SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK AS HE WAS BEING TAKEN DOWN HE WOULD SUDDENLY, MAGICALLY MAKE IT EASY FOR THE COP?
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
Brock, you've lost your mind, mate. The poor bloke did nothing wrong and was being harrassed by a man in a uniform. If you were to ask me who the criminal was I would have to say the one who was stalking a member of the public and then proceeded to beat him up. There is no public duty in behaving like that, you are basically at the same level of a street thug yourself. To then waste how much tax payer money in getting a fleet of cars involved and how many officers? My goodness, it's a joke, but not a funny one for the poor chap beaten up like that. To even defend it is lame Brock.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
Brock lost his mind years ago.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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What has the % of voters got to do with that?
Who these people elect = how they CHOOSE to be policed
If only that was true but that has nothing to do with how the man was treated.
It's not true?
NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio ordered the NYPD to crackdown on people selling untaxable/loose cigarettes and Eric Garner was resisting arrest for that very thing when he died.
Soooo you're telling me that Mayor DeBlasio (whom people voted for) was NOT acting in the interest of NYC when he ordered the police to crackdown on that because they were losing tax money?
So a democratic mayor was against jaywalking and this occured
That could be the case yes....in the case of Eric Garner it most certainly WAS how things were and what does Mayor DeBlasio do? He fucking blames the cops who were doing HIS bidding.
This COULD be just another case of police brutality, it COULD be due to the Mayor or elected official, it COULD be something else entirely....all I know is I don't much like it. I don't want people beaten like that for fucking jaywalking....at the same time, if an officer is asking me something/ordering me to do something I'll more than likely comply. If that officer gets an attitude with me, then I could very easily see myself in the place of the man stopped for jaywalking and I don't reckon I would like that all too well.
We've got a corrupt police force where I live, however we do have a mighty fine Sheriff (an elected official by the way). A county over they used to have a jackbooted thug of a Sheriff, he even had his deputies on steroids (no fucking lie, honest to God)!
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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Master
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What has the % of voters got to do with that?
Who these people elect = how they CHOOSE to be policed
If only that was true but that has nothing to do with how the man was treated.
It's not true?
NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio ordered the NYPD to crackdown on people selling untaxable/loose cigarettes and Eric Garner was resisting arrest for that very thing when he died.
Soooo you're telling me that Mayor DeBlasio (whom people voted for) was NOT acting in the interest of NYC when he ordered the police to crackdown on that because they were losing tax money?
So a democratic mayor was against jaywalking and this occured
That could be the case yes....in the case of Eric Garner it most certainly WAS how things were and what does Mayor DeBlasio do? He fucking blames the cops who were doing HIS bidding.
This COULD be just another case of police brutality, it COULD be due to the Mayor or elected official, it COULD be something else entirely....all I know is I don't much like it. I don't want people beaten like that for fucking jaywalking....at the same time, if an officer is asking me something/ordering me to do something I'll more than likely comply. If that officer gets an attitude with me, then I could very easily see myself in the place of the man stopped for jaywalking and I don't reckon I would like that all too well.
We've got a corrupt police force where I live, however we do have a mighty fine Sheriff (an elected official by the way). A county over they used to have a jackbooted thug of a Sheriff, he even had his deputies on steroids (no fucking lie, honest to God)!
A lot of cops do steroids. I had a friend who supplied an an entire city force in Ct with steroids. Probably why they are so aggressive
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
@Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
You just don't understand the criminal justice system or basic responsibility do you ? The Policeman is neither Judge nor Jury either. He or she is a public servant not an authority that can make unreasonable demands of a citizen. You have twisted everything around in order to justify somebody acting more like a thug than the guy he and you are casting as a criminal.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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TitoFan you cannot just compare jaywalking with getting punched 20 times in the face. That is not the way it went down bro and you know it. You are deliberately skipping a couple of steps in that sequence of events. When he tried to take him down the man vehemently resisted and put up a fight and started flailing his arms back at the officers face. In that case if you get punched in the face a couple of times by someone who you are trying to subdue then I believe you can Strike Back.
I watched the video again. When he went to take him down, the man resisted, but the takedown took a split second. Once the guy was on the ground, the cop proceeded to pummel him. There's no way in that video you saw the guy punching the cop in the face. He had barely been slammed to the ground when the cop started to pummel him.
I get it that you don't like the prototypical hoodlum talking back at cops... I get it. It's a stupid move. But it doesn't excuse a cop, who's supposedly highly trained, to assault a human being in that fashion. Again, even after apprehending a murder suspect after a shootout and a high speed chase, there's no excuse for that kind of pummeling.
You're wrong, and you know it. Of course you won't back down, but it makes no difference.
I hope the cop gets charged, convicted, and jailed for assault and battery. There's gotta be some way to get it through the thick skull of these 'roided assholes that their badge and uniform isn't a licence to abuse citizens. And if he gets made someone's bitch while in prison..... well I guess that's just too bad.
as he took him down, the suspect turned and threw a punch/flailed an arm at the cop's face, or at least he would not be subdued and in wriggling and twisting could have injured the cop. Up til that point you cant say the suspect had cooperated AT ALL and you know it, SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK AS HE WAS BEING TAKEN DOWN HE WOULD SUDDENLY, MAGICALLY MAKE IT EASY FOR THE COP?
As he was being body-slammed into the concrete street, he instinctively did what any self-preserving human being would do. He put out his arms to break his fall in the split second he was being taken down. If you want to pass this off as the guy punching the cop, go right ahead. Only the cop and his mother would back you up on that one. It's ridiculous, Brock. You're defending the indefensible.
Nothing but a stiff prison sentence and a million dollar lawsuit will teach these brain-dead, uniformed assholes to keep their 'roid rage binges to themselves.
Actually... he's lucky that as he was pummeling the guy 20 times in the face, a friend or family member didn't walk up behind him and put one in the back of his head.
Re: "intelligent" man WON'T STOP when a COP orders him to STOP---guess what happened?
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Gandalf it is not up to you or the public to "adjudicate-on-the-spot" if they are doing anything wrong or not and then therefore give themselves the right to not comply with an officer's demands. YOu going on like you are the judge and jury combines, or you saying that that man who was stopped has the right to deem himself judge and jury and can therefore say FUCK OFF FUCK YOU to the cops demands, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NUTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE IT OR ADDRESS IT.
Utterly bizarre. The police officer is a thug and here you are waffling on and on defending it. Why is it you only ever post videos of black people getting beaten up too?
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For the most cops won't bother u in the us if you are doing nothing wrong. They interact with less than one percent of the population. I do think they have been way too much power. The Supreme Court has sided with these government lawyers far to often
