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Aside from title fights at catch weights, I actually like them. It gives a chance to get two fighters from two different divisions together. Meet in the middle type deal.
What I don't like is people fighting for a belt and forcing the fight to be at a lower weight.
To be honest I also don't like fighters who are clearly loads bigger than the weight they are fighting for and have just worked wonders on losing and gaining weight overnight.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Look i'm not getting into a Cotto-Pac argument,* specific cases are irrelevant. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with catchweights. I couldn't careless if a fight doesn't involve a micky mouse belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYeah he did. The fight stalled for a while because Pac wanted 144. Cotto took it for the money, then was pissed because the WBO said his 147 his belt was on the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOnly silly fans bitched AFTER Cotto had been duffed up. Cotto had NO PROBLEM agreeing to the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Catchweights are requested to make an EVEN playing field. If a fighter AGREES to make the weight, he has ZERO excuses if he loses. Simple as.
*For the record - Cotto said he was fine with 145 "I am going to reach 145 with no problem. The last fight I spent more than 24 hours doing nothing. Just waiting for the weigh-in. My weight was 145. We would not have taken this fight if we didn’t think I was going to be at my best."
No excuses.
Catchweights are still the scourge of boxing. Pick a weight class... train properly... learn how to make weight effectively... and go fight. If it's too difficult, go to the next weight. As for the argument on title fights vs. non-title fights..... consider this: Two top contenders fighting for the right to fight for the title. What. They're going to fight at some stupid catchweight, only to have to make the weight for the title fight? What kind of bullshit is that?
Wrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what non-title bouts are for. Ever heard of those? Why cloud up the weight issue with catchweights? Weight issues in boxing are muddled up as it is. You got jerks like JCC Jr. fighting at middleweight when he should be campaigning as a cruiserweight. The true purpose of catchweights is to have two fighters face each other when they're at their limits of weight loss or gain. Example: When Martinez talks about fighting Mayweather. There I can see a catchweight. At some point it's too much weight for Floyd to gain or for Sergio to lose. But just for grins? Nah. Call it a non-title fight, like in the old days.
:vd: They are calling Peterson-Matthysse a non-title fight. Just like the old daysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what non-title bouts are for. Ever heard of those? Why cloud up the weight issue with catchweights? Weight issues in boxing are muddled up as it is. You got jerks like JCC Jr. fighting at middleweight when he should be campaigning as a cruiserweight. The true purpose of catchweights is to have two fighters face each other when they're at their limits of weight loss or gain. Example: When Martinez talks about fighting Mayweather. There I can see a catchweight. At some point it's too much weight for Floyd to gain or for Sergio to lose. But just for grins? Nah. Call it a non-title fight, like in the old days.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: They are calling Peterson-Matthysse a non-title fight. Just like the old daysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what non-title bouts are for. Ever heard of those? Why cloud up the weight issue with catchweights? Weight issues in boxing are muddled up as it is. You got jerks like JCC Jr. fighting at middleweight when he should be campaigning as a cruiserweight. The true purpose of catchweights is to have two fighters face each other when they're at their limits of weight loss or gain. Example: When Martinez talks about fighting Mayweather. There I can see a catchweight. At some point it's too much weight for Floyd to gain or for Sergio to lose. But just for grins? Nah. Call it a non-title fight, like in the old days.
Seriously... hate aside. What is the big fucking deal of just making weight at one of the MANY weight divisions? There used to be less divisions in the old days. The number was increased. The difference between divisions is a mere 7 pounds. Forget it's me asking the question. Are catchweights really all that necessary in boxing?
Come on, you and I both know its bullshit. 1 lb technicality ffs. Its zero to do with weight and just setting up insurance policies for guys and future plans. Novel idea for a fighter, if you want protection from a loss and keep a ranking or trinket...keep the hands up and win the fight! If he or Pederson lost then they deserve to be knocked back. Thats the breaks, for them and fans. If promotion and bodies coddle or issue this slight of hand it def puts a red flag on what else they'll do to ensure the rankings don't change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseGood. You're not making any fucking sense anyway. Just like the stupid thread title. It doesn't matter what fag started it. It has no point. "Catchweights are becoming an easy copout" An easy copout to what? Making good fights? And that's a bad thing? It's what everybody wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAre you that stupid and who's fucking crying pinhead? You are.Its not a title fight because of a stupid 1 pound catchweight idiot. Fucking combative twerp. If your pretzel logic does not work just go on the attack and try to change the topic. Heres an idea, read the thread. Shit you probably hate catchweights but pretend to like them because TitoFan started this thread. Who cares about the meaningless titles well apparently the boxers do. Hello... Now you go ahead and continue to antagonize but this is my last response on this topic. You think catchweights are needed in an already watered down 17 division system. I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePeterson vs Matthysse is not a title fight. So what the fuck are you crying about? Who gives a fuck if Peterson's paper IBF title (that should of been stripped) and Matthysse WBC Interim title (why he even has an interim title I have no fucking idea) is not on the line. Those belts are fucking meaningless anyway. They need to be dismissed. Muthafukkas can't complain about the organizations and than bitch that there titles are not on the line. It's fucking stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Man I expected better from you. Cuz you got things all twisted up. Peterson's IBF title is not on the line cuz of Matthysse. Not Peterson. Matthysse is the WBC interim champion. Which means he's next in line to face the regular WBC champion Danny Garcia. If Matthysse loses to Peterson at 140 he also loses the Garcia fight. Cuz he would obviously drop in the rankings. The only way Matthysse is protected from a loss is if the loss was while fighting in another division. Having the fight at 141 makes it a welterweight fight. And a non-title fight. Peterson's can't defend his junior welterweight title in a welterweight fight. If Mattysee loses his ranking at 140 isn't affected. And the Garcia fight is there. Matthysse is the reason it's a non-title fight at 141. Peterson is goining along with it cause it's paying him wellQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI wouldn't call it ignoring the trinkets so much as them insuring its future by doing so. Hes still wearing the belt. No doubt some crooked alphabet boy hack broke it down and Pederson just winks and nods. He'll make more future coin off his juice cheat and keep the fees coming on a paperweight belt he shouldn't have in the first place. The ibf thinks "not rated" is a more worthy top ten contender than Matthysse, who has more than earned a title shot but will again settle on some 'interim' bullcrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happenQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBecause the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
It's all about the bottom line for me now a days. Peterson has a belt that should of been stripped. Matthysse has a belt that shouldn't even fucking exist. It's all bullshit and really I don't give a fuck about it any more. I just wanna see good fights. If a catchweight is required to make a good fight than so be it. Cuz bottom line. Despite the nonsense, this is a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: They are calling Peterson-Matthysse a non-title fight. Just like the old daysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what non-title bouts are for. Ever heard of those? Why cloud up the weight issue with catchweights? Weight issues in boxing are muddled up as it is. You got jerks like JCC Jr. fighting at middleweight when he should be campaigning as a cruiserweight. The true purpose of catchweights is to have two fighters face each other when they're at their limits of weight loss or gain. Example: When Martinez talks about fighting Mayweather. There I can see a catchweight. At some point it's too much weight for Floyd to gain or for Sergio to lose. But just for grins? Nah. Call it a non-title fight, like in the old days.
Seriously... hate aside. What is the big fucking deal of just making weight at one of the MANY weight divisions? There used to be less divisions in the old days. The number was increased. The difference between divisions is a mere 7 pounds. Forget it's me asking the question. Are catchweights really all that necessary in boxing?
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt's all about the bottom line for me now a days. Peterson has a belt that should of been stripped. Matthysse has a belt that shouldn't even fucking exist. It's all bullshit and really I don't give a fuck about it any more. I just wanna see good fights. If a catchweight is required to make a good fight than so be it. Cuz bottom line. Despite the nonsense, this is a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: They are calling Peterson-Matthysse a non-title fight. Just like the old daysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWrong yet again. Matthysse wants the Danny Garcia fight. He doesn't give a fuck about the titles. He said he'll gladly face Garcia at 141 in order to let Garcia keep his belts after he beats him. Cuz he doesn't give a fuck about the belts. If he did he would of gave up his WBC interim title and just faced Peterson for his IBF title. But he didn't. Cuz it's not about the belts. Matthysse holding that Interim title keeps him as Garcia''s mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what non-title bouts are for. Ever heard of those? Why cloud up the weight issue with catchweights? Weight issues in boxing are muddled up as it is. You got jerks like JCC Jr. fighting at middleweight when he should be campaigning as a cruiserweight. The true purpose of catchweights is to have two fighters face each other when they're at their limits of weight loss or gain. Example: When Martinez talks about fighting Mayweather. There I can see a catchweight. At some point it's too much weight for Floyd to gain or for Sergio to lose. But just for grins? Nah. Call it a non-title fight, like in the old days.
Seriously... hate aside. What is the big fucking deal of just making weight at one of the MANY weight divisions? There used to be less divisions in the old days. The number was increased. The difference between divisions is a mere 7 pounds. Forget it's me asking the question. Are catchweights really all that necessary in boxing?
I hate that boxing organizations are out to ruin boxing. I absolutely hate it. Anything touched by politics immediately goes to hell. That being said, I've also become a big Matthysse fan. I want to see him in good fights no matter what. But I also hate catchweights, because I'm a believer in the good ol' system of weight divisions. Those are the ones that make titles worth a damn. But the IBF's, WBC's, WBO's, WBA's, WBU's, and ABC's of the world are fucking up boxing but good. So whatever. People in boxing want to wrangle over 1-pound differences, interim titles, power struggles... whatever... they can go right ahead. But boxing is suffering because of it. No one's gonna convince me it wasn't better back in the days of true champions in every weight class.