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Will Hatton be an all time great?
Ricky has now said that its two more fights then out.. I think he will beat paulie easily to be honest, and then that leave Pac or Oscar... For me it has to be Pac, Oscar is too big and a win over pac now would do more for Rickys status...
Just wondered, if he fights and beats both Paulie and Pac then retires, would you consider him an all time great?
He has only ever lost once to the P4P no.1 so no discrase there, and has beat everyone he could ov at 140.. i think its a pitty that the 140 division has gone a bit dry since Cotto, mayweather etc moved up.. Ricky just cant cut it at 147 and i honestly feel that Hatton could ov beat cotto at 140 and certainly given Mayweather a better fight.
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A win over Pacquiao would do his career a lot of good but despite Hatton's good record i don't think that much of his wins to be honest, look at all his best wins and they all have something in common they were all past there best. Even with a win over Pacquiao im not sure i would call him an ATG.
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He will go down as one of the best 140lb fighters ever and as one of the nicest guys in boxing.
am i the only one that thinks Hatton would make a good addition to any announce team when he does retire.
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A win over Pacquiao would do his career a lot of good but despite Hatton's good record i don't think that much of his wins to be honest, look at all his best wins and they all have something in common they were all past there best. Even with a win over Pacquiao im not sure i would call him an ATG.
well no one was sayin Tsyu was past his best before the fight really, he has been inactive but come on..
you could have the same sort of argument about say Hopkins that all his best wins were against blown up welter weights.. he still won!
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A win over Pacquiao would do his career a lot of good but despite Hatton's good record i don't think that much of his wins to be honest, look at all his best wins and they all have something in common they were all past there best. Even with a win over Pacquiao im not sure i would call him an ATG.
well no one was sayin Tsyu was past his best before the fight really, he has been inactive but come on..
you could have the same sort of argument about say Hopkins that all his best wins were against blown up welter weights.. he still won!
Well im not going to debate the Tszyu issue i have gone through it too many times, all im saying is look at all of Hatton's wins closely name me one good fighter he beat that was in there prime ?? except Collazo and even that was controversial.
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Hatton will get another shot at the p4p number 1 but next time I think he will win by K.O . This status cuz its not very often the top p4p fighter gets dominated and knocked out in their prime
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It is a tough one, if he had left Warren a few years ago and got himself into the world scene earlier he would have been as long as he stuck to 140lbs, the problem that he is not flexible and can only really be at his best at 140lbs will hinder him as the ATG's tended to be able to switch weights and not have many problems, but in saying that Marvin Hagler took 6-7 years before he really stepped up to the top fighters.
I think in the UK he will always be regarded as an ATG but on the world scene they haven't seen enough of him for him to be really remembered.
I think if he fights Oscar he will lose Oscar is just too big for him, but if he beat Oscar he will be up there, Pacquiao is so much smaller and Hatton has a good chance of beating him, but again it might be a case of too little too late.
UK ATG I think is his limit, and a good fighter worldwide, harsh cause I think he deserves more but Warren didn't get him the fights, like Calzaghe only now is he fighting the top names and getting recognition, beating a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Jones, probably won't get him up as high as he deserves as he spent most of his career fighting opponents who weren't world class.
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It is a tough one, if he had left Warren a few years ago and got himself into the world scene earlier he would have been as long as he stuck to 140lbs, the problem that he is not flexible and can only really be at his best at 140lbs will hinder him as the ATG's tended to be able to switch weights and not have many problems, but in saying that Marvin Hagler took 6-7 years before he really stepped up to the top fighters.
I think in the UK he will always be regarded as an ATG but on the world scene they haven't seen enough of him for him to be really remembered.
I think if he fights Oscar he will lose Oscar is just too big for him, but if he beat Oscar he will be up there, Pacquiao is so much smaller and Hatton has a good chance of beating him, but again it might be a case of too little too late.
UK ATG I think is his limit, and a good fighter worldwide, harsh cause I think he deserves more but Warren didn't get him the fights, like Calzaghe only now is he fighting the top names and getting recognition, beating a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Jones, probably won't get him up as high as he deserves as he spent most of his career fighting opponents who weren't world class.
I think this basically answers your question gudnite vienna.
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It is a tough one, if he had left Warren a few years ago and got himself into the world scene earlier he would have been as long as he stuck to 140lbs, the problem that he is not flexible and can only really be at his best at 140lbs will hinder him as the ATG's tended to be able to switch weights and not have many problems, but in saying that Marvin Hagler took 6-7 years before he really stepped up to the top fighters.
I think in the UK he will always be regarded as an ATG but on the world scene they haven't seen enough of him for him to be really remembered.
I think if he fights Oscar he will lose Oscar is just too big for him, but if he beat Oscar he will be up there, Pacquiao is so much smaller and Hatton has a good chance of beating him, but again it might be a case of too little too late.
UK ATG I think is his limit, and a good fighter worldwide, harsh cause I think he deserves more but Warren didn't get him the fights, like Calzaghe only now is he fighting the top names and getting recognition, beating a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Jones, probably won't get him up as high as he deserves as he spent most of his career fighting opponents who weren't world class.
I think this basically answers your question gudnite vienna.
yeh you can say all this about him beating fighters over the hill but look at some one like Cotto, his best wins are Mosley and Judah, and guess what both of them are on the decline!!
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It is a tough one, if he had left Warren a few years ago and got himself into the world scene earlier he would have been as long as he stuck to 140lbs, the problem that he is not flexible and can only really be at his best at 140lbs will hinder him as the ATG's tended to be able to switch weights and not have many problems, but in saying that Marvin Hagler took 6-7 years before he really stepped up to the top fighters.
I think in the UK he will always be regarded as an ATG but on the world scene they haven't seen enough of him for him to be really remembered.
I think if he fights Oscar he will lose Oscar is just too big for him, but if he beat Oscar he will be up there, Pacquiao is so much smaller and Hatton has a good chance of beating him, but again it might be a case of too little too late.
UK ATG I think is his limit, and a good fighter worldwide, harsh cause I think he deserves more but Warren didn't get him the fights, like Calzaghe only now is he fighting the top names and getting recognition, beating a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Jones, probably won't get him up as high as he deserves as he spent most of his career fighting opponents who weren't world class.
I think this basically answers your question gudnite vienna.
yeh you can say all this about him beating fighters over the hill but look at some one like Cotto, his best wins are Mosley and Judah, and guess what both of them are on the decline!!
But Miguel Cotto still has a lot left to do in his career where as Hatton doesn't thats the difference.
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Wait to the likes of VD get on and they`ll tell you all hatton is a washed up bum who doesnt even class as a good boxer.
In reality though he is probably closer to becoming a hall of famer than he has ever been.
He has beaten everyone he has ever fought barring PBF. The CV doesnt lie. He has been fighting and beaten world championship opposition since 2004 and has only come a cropper in that time once.
If he gets beat by manny at 140 id seriously have to rethink this, but for now he deserves to be in there just as much as anyone!!
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He wont go down as an all time great,he'll go down as 1 of the best fighters that britain has produced and the biggest crowd puller in the fight scence today.
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It is a tough one, if he had left Warren a few years ago and got himself into the world scene earlier he would have been as long as he stuck to 140lbs, the problem that he is not flexible and can only really be at his best at 140lbs will hinder him as the ATG's tended to be able to switch weights and not have many problems, but in saying that Marvin Hagler took 6-7 years before he really stepped up to the top fighters.
I think in the UK he will always be regarded as an ATG but on the world scene they haven't seen enough of him for him to be really remembered.
I think if he fights Oscar he will lose Oscar is just too big for him, but if he beat Oscar he will be up there, Pacquiao is so much smaller and Hatton has a good chance of beating him, but again it might be a case of too little too late.
UK ATG I think is his limit, and a good fighter worldwide, harsh cause I think he deserves more but Warren didn't get him the fights, like Calzaghe only now is he fighting the top names and getting recognition, beating a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Jones, probably won't get him up as high as he deserves as he spent most of his career fighting opponents who weren't world class.
I think this basically answers your question gudnite vienna.
yeh you can say all this about him beating fighters over the hill but look at some one like Cotto, his best wins are Mosley and Judah, and guess what both of them are on the decline!!
True but they are hardly a Vilches, Stewart or a Tackie. Tszyu was a great win, Castillo was a great win (Even if he wasn't really a Light Welterweight), Collazo and Urango are not really big names. And as for Cotto he is not finished yet, he is not saying he has only 2 fights left, he will fight a lot more top fighters before he retires, if he retired now for me he wouldn't be regarded as an ATG either. Even if he has beaten the likes of Paulie, Torres, etc he has fought at a higher level than Hatton for longer, he fought Maussa in his 18th fight, N'Dou 20th, Branco, Bailey, Quintana, Urkal etc Hatton can't really boast the same quality
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I think this basically answers your question gudnite vienna.
yeh you can say all this about him beating fighters over the hill but look at some one like Cotto, his best wins are Mosley and Judah, and guess what both of them are on the decline!!
But Miguel Cotto still has a lot left to do in his career where as Hatton doesn't thats the difference.
you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
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yeh you can say all this about him beating fighters over the hill but look at some one like Cotto, his best wins are Mosley and Judah, and guess what both of them are on the decline!!
But Miguel Cotto still has a lot left to do in his career where as Hatton doesn't thats the difference.
you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioned Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu was past his best days and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
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But Miguel Cotto still has a lot left to do in his career where as Hatton doesn't thats the difference.
you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioend Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu was past his best days and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
haha dont take things so personal... the bookies has Tsyu as the favourite in that fight, and as we all know the very rarely get it wrong so dont think he was that faded really..
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But Miguel Cotto still has a lot left to do in his career where as Hatton doesn't thats the difference.
you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioend Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu wasn't at his best and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
Im quite sure if you were willing to be this picky you would also have to throw into question a number of world class fighters and previous opposition.
What people never mention with ricky is the way he was knocking out guys who had been the distance with the likes of tszyu/mitchell 2 years before he got the shot at Tszyu
What you never hear is how well fighters like juan urango and collazo have done since being beaten by hatton and how the apparently shot castillo who didnt wanna fight has gone on to fight since then already!!
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you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioend Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu was past his best days and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
haha dont take things so personal... the bookies has Tsyu as the favourite in that fight, and as we all know the very rarely get it wrong so dont think he was that faded really..
I haven't taken anything personally i just didn't want to debate this Tszyu situation again, because i have debated it 100's of times. Thats the basis for your argument that the bookie's had Tszyu as the favorite ?? they have been wrong many times, they had Tszyu as the favorite purely because Hatton had never shown the kind of form in previous fights which he did against Tszyu, plus Hatton had never been in with a world class fighter before the Tszyu bout.
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you cant really say that tsyu or castllio were shot, because to be frank you just dont know.. Its very unfair to discredit hattons win over tsyu, he was world champion and a p4p fighter, simple as!
I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioend Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu wasn't at his best and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
Im quite sure if you were willing to be this picky you would also have to throw into question a number of world class fighters and previous opposition.
What people never mention with ricky is the way he was knocking out guys who had been the distance with the likes of tszyu/mitchell 2 years before he got the shot at Tszyu
What you never hear is how well fighters like juan urango and collazo have done since being beaten by hatton and how the apparently shot castillo who didnt wanna fight has gone on to fight since then already!!
Urango got a robbery decision when he won the title, anyone who watched the fight knew he shouldn't of even had the title he was a paper champion. And all Urango has done since the Hatton fight is beat the goodish Vilches, again what has Collazo done since the Hatton fight ?? he got dominated by Mosley and in his last fight went the distance with a 9-4 fighter.
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I can say Castillo was shot just look at his last fight prior to the Hatton one and tell me he didn't look like a shot fighter ?? Castillo had no business at Jr Welterweight in the first place and he didn't deserve the win against Ngoudjo, as for Tszyu i told you i didn't want to debate this and you brung it up again when i never mentioend Tszyu i was on about Miguel Cotto. But since you keep brining it up i never said Tszyu was a shot fighter but he was past his best, he was 35 years old, he had injuries prior to the bout, and he only had like 3 fights in 4 years or something similar to that. No doubt it was a good win for Hatton but Tszyu wasn't at his best and im sorry nothing you can say, can make me think otherwise.
Im quite sure if you were willing to be this picky you would also have to throw into question a number of world class fighters and previous opposition.
What people never mention with ricky is the way he was knocking out guys who had been the distance with the likes of tszyu/mitchell 2 years before he got the shot at Tszyu
What you never hear is how well fighters like juan urango and collazo have done since being beaten by hatton and how the apparently shot castillo who didnt wanna fight has gone on to fight since then already!!
Urango got a robbery decision when he won the title, anyone who watched the fight knew he shouldn't of even had the title he was a paper champion. And all Urango has done since the Hatton fight is beat the goodish Vilches, again what has Collazo done since the Hatton fight ?? he got dominated by Mosley and in his last fight went the distance with a 9-4 fighter.
yep but callazo hurt his hand in the mosley fight.... kind ov unfair.
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Im quite sure if you were willing to be this picky you would also have to throw into question a number of world class fighters and previous opposition.
What people never mention with ricky is the way he was knocking out guys who had been the distance with the likes of tszyu/mitchell 2 years before he got the shot at Tszyu
What you never hear is how well fighters like juan urango and collazo have done since being beaten by hatton and how the apparently shot castillo who didnt wanna fight has gone on to fight since then already!!
Urango got a robbery decision when he won the title, anyone who watched the fight knew he shouldn't of even had the title he was a paper champion. And all Urango has done since the Hatton fight is beat the goodish Vilches, again what has Collazo done since the Hatton fight ?? he got dominated by Mosley and in his last fight went the distance with a 9-4 fighter.
yep but callazo hurt his hand in the mosley fight.... kind ov unfair.
Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.
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He will go down as one of the best 140lb fighters ever and as one of the nicest guys in boxing.
am i the only one that thinks Hatton would make a good addition to any announce team when he does retire.
No I agree he's got a great sense of humour and is a great speaker. He wil also be remembered as an all time great and make the hall of fame even if its just taken from the fact that he stopped probably the greatest 140lb fighter of all time in Kostya Tszyu.
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He will go down as one of the best 140lb fighters ever and as one of the nicest guys in boxing.
am i the only one that thinks Hatton would make a good addition to any announce team when he does retire.
No I agree he's got a great sense of humour and is a great speaker. He wil also be remembered as an all time great and make the hall of fame even if its just taken from the fact that he stopped probably the greatest 140lb fighter of all time in Kostya Tszyu.
can imagine ricky turning up for an HBO broadcast with a pint of guiness ready to call a big fight.
Bet it would also be hard for him to go an hour or so without swearing ;D;D;D
altogether now....
"THERES ONLY ONE RICKY HATTON
ONE RICKY HATTON
WALKING ALONG SINGING A SONG
WALKING IN A HATTON WONDERLAND"
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lets b honest if hatton beat Pac and Paulie then he has been one the most dominant fighter at 140 ever.. and thats fact.. does that not make you an all time great
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Urango got a robbery decision when he won the title, anyone who watched the fight knew he shouldn't of even had the title he was a paper champion. And all Urango has done since the Hatton fight is beat the goodish Vilches, again what has Collazo done since the Hatton fight ?? he got dominated by Mosley and in his last fight went the distance with a 9-4 fighter.
yep but callazo hurt his hand in the mosley fight.... kind ov unfair.
Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.
Too much made?
He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.
Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.
It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.
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yep but callazo hurt his hand in the mosley fight.... kind ov unfair.
Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.
Too much made?
He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.
Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.
It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.
Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.
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Collazo had 1 maybe 2 decent rounds Mosley adjusted and beat down on Collazo and knocked him down end of, there was too much made out of Collazo's injury.
Too much made?
He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.
Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.
It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.
Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.
Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.
I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.
He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.
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Too much made?
He fractured his thumb and tore 3 ligaments in his hand....in the 2nd round.
Up until that stage he was having a lot of success with the straight left. He landed it numerous times. After the point of injury he stopped throwing punches.
It's ok praising Mosley for adjusting but you have to ask yourself, what adjustment did he really have to make after Collazo severley damaged the hand that he was having so much success with.
Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.
Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.
I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.
He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.
Luis Collazo vs Andre Berto is the fight i want to see.
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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.
Why shouldn't Mayweather be mentioned with any of those names ?? he is a better fighter than at least 3 names on that list.
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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.
I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.
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Mayweather badly broke his hand against Hernandez and still dominated him, its quite common in boxing to have hand injuries. As i said too much was made out of the injury Mosley did adjust and you can clearly see that if you watch the fight closely, and he dominated Collazo because he is the better fighter end of. Its funny how some fans take injuries into account for some fighters and not others, i mean i never here anyone talking about Tony Tucker breaking his right hand after the 4th round against Mike Tyson, but up and until that point he was clearly winning the fight.
Yes but Mayweather is a much better fighter than Hernandez. We both know Mayweather is a very very special fighter.
I don't think Mosley had to adjust to anything. Collazo stopped throwing his left hand. I know too much can be made of injury but if it becomes too painful for a fighter to throw a punch, then the injury is obviously significant enough to offer an explanation as to why the fight was so one-sided.
He deserves another title shot. He's had pretty bad luck at the top level.
Luis Collazo vs Andre Berto is the fight i want to see.
Yeah that would be an interesting fight.
Collazo has an awkward style and he is skilled. For that reason, i don't think many of the belt holders will be in a rush to face him.
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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.
I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.
Well Hopkins has accomplished more than mayweather period. Theres still alot left for Mayweather to do but he refuses to do so because he usually prefers the easier fights. The only reason he retired before fighting Oscar is how would it look if he fought Oscar then avoided the winner of Cotto/Margarito ? this guy does not want to fight the best guys in his division he would rather retire. Sorry but the guys on my ATG list also brought alot of heart to the game.
How has Hopkins achieved more than Mayweather ?? Mayweather has won 5 titles in 5 weight divisions, and im sure if you list all there best wins Mayweather comes out on top. But thats your opinion and your entitled to it but i disagree.
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Hatton's not even a great fighter much less an ATG. Hattons just a good fighter, and will never be an ATG period. I dont care that he's a likeable guy he's just not good enough to be on the ATG list like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Joe frazier, Willie Pep, Archie Moore, Rocky Marciano, Pernell Whittaker, Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Hagler, Bernard Hopkins, AAron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Azumah Nelson , Finito Lopez. Are you guys starting to understand now. Hattons name and even Floyd Mayweather's name should never be mentioned with the names of the guys i just mentioned period.
I find it rather odd you'd have Hopkins up there but not Mayweather.
Well Hopkins has accomplished more than mayweather period. Theres still alot left for Mayweather to do but he refuses to do so because he usually prefers the easier fights. The only reason he retired before fighting Oscar is how would it look if he fought Oscar then avoided the winner of Cotto/Margarito ? this guy does not want to fight the best guys in his division he would rather retire. Sorry but the guys on my ATG list also brought alot of heart to the game.
In The UK Hatton is and will be an all time great around the world this will vary
Mayweather is an ATG and belongs in that list you cant deny him because he didn't fight Cotto / Tony you have to look at what he has done his whole career 5 titles in 5 weight divisions gets you on an ATG great list period
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I think Hatton will definitely be remembered as a great fighter.. but as far as ATG, i don't know..
a while back i was going to make a thread about this, and never did.. either way, i'm probably going to get flamed for this, but just remember, this is only MY opinion..
After watching the Tszyu fight, after everybody hyped up how good Ricky was that night, and how it was his defining fight and all that stuff, i had mixed feelings.. I mean, he definitely was amazing that night, and was relentless as all hell, but did you see the scoring? I don't remember it exactly but i think at least 1 judge had Tszyu winning, one had it even, and one had Hatton winning, and then Tszyu QUIT!!?? Are you kidding? This leaves a sour feeling simply because Tszyu, with I think Two rounds left, could have won this fight, but he gave up.. Not to take anything away from Ricky because he fought magnificently, but how can you quit if you're winning on a judges scorecard, and even on another.. Granted Tszyu was a P4P fighter, and always in the top tier of boxers of his time, so whether you KO him or beat him by a point you still beat a great fighter, so again not saying Ricky didn't perform great, I just don't see how, besides that fight he did anything to prove his ATG status..
He beat Tackie up.. beat Collazo in a real close fight, beat Maussa, beat Castillo, lost to Floyd, and although he beat Lazcano for about 86% of the fight, he almost got knocked down, and possibly even out, he was holding on for dear life and the ref bailed him out.. my stomach was sick after that fight..
I just think he will be more remembered by how exciting and fearless and relentless he was as opposed to anything else..
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The answer is a simple no. Hatton will never, ever be an All Time Great. I don't care what his groupies and concubines say
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Probably not an ATG but Ricky will be remembered for what I think he wants to be remembered for. His balls, great personality, giving his all for his fans EVERY single time and not letting his head get as big as his bank account. No one can deny that the amount of fans he has brought to the sport is huge.
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If Hatton fights and beats the smaller Pacman does he really get the recognition he seeks? I don't believe he retires after two more fights anyway, he is not yet 30 and still to much money in it for him to give it away just yet.
Do what Tszyu did and unify the title at 140lb, you can only beat who they put in front of you and if that includes Pacquaio then his legacy is assured.
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The answer is a simple no. Hatton will never, ever be an All Time Great. I don't care what his groupies and concubines say
Doesn't get any more succinct than that!
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Ricky has now said that its two more fights then out.. I think he will beat paulie easily to be honest, and then that leave Pac or Oscar... For me it has to be Pac, Oscar is too big and a win over pac now would do more for Rickys status...
Just wondered, if he fights and beats both Paulie and Pac then retires, would you consider him an all time great?
He has only ever lost once to the P4P no.1 so no discrase there, and has beat everyone he could ov at 140.. i think its a pitty that the 140 division has gone a bit dry since Cotto, mayweather etc moved up.. Ricky just cant cut it at 147 and i honestly feel that Hatton could ov beat cotto at 140 and certainly given Mayweather a better fight.
Well he can be ATG depending how long your willing to make a list in order to be able to list him.
I mean TOP 100 ATG??? :-X
Thing is he burtst onto the scene like someone had lite a fire cracker in his arse since then he's had mediocre performances he's been flat. The one outstanding performance came against JLC and if you dig back I predicted JLC wouldn't make it past 5. JLC was a corpse then and if JLC keeps fighting it's shame cause if he was a corpse then he's probably just bones now.
If Hattons serious about 2/3 more fights depending on those fights will be how far his legacy goes.
He is most def. a UK All Time Great that is for certain and I'm sure he's happy with that.
As long as his people recognize him and treat 'em like one of the boys he'll be fine.
